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renfield

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I think the idea is that we'll not be able to tell. There's already a very tenuous connection to some form of reality, and it's getting more tenuous by the nanosecond.
Once a person starts filtering most of their reality through a display screen they've put themselves into an ugly place.
 
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forciori

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If I may, I would like to offer an observation on this topic. From my perspective, resisting technological progress is to misunderstand its fundamental purpose, which has always been to alleviate labor.

Let us recall, for a moment, the world before these tools. Research meant a trip to the library to haul monstrously heavy encyclopedias from the shelves, followed by hours of manual searching for a single piece of information. Correspondence required finding a post office, buying stamps and envelopes, and handwriting letters. The very act of writing involved carrying a cumbersome typewriter, wrestling with its heavy keys, changing ink ribbons, and knowing that a significant error meant retyping the entire page.
Each technological leap we now take for granted was born to solve these exact problems. Their goal was singular: to make our lives simpler. The argument that such convenience makes us idle prompts a question: would we genuinely choose to revert to those more arduous methods?

(...) of course, it is unwise to treat artificial intelligence as an infallible oracle, just as it is imprudent to accept the first Google search result without scrutiny. This leads to a crucial point about its most effective use.
Rather than querying the tool in a vacuum and leaving the result to chance, its power is best unlocked by providing it with a solid foundation. For instance, one could have supplied it with trusted articles or specific data. From that basis, it could then be directed to compare conclusions and reveal new connections (a far more targeted and reliable process than starting from nothing)
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Perhaps the ultimate challenge, then, is not the tool's inherent limitations, but learning how to furnish it with the right materials for the task.

Take care.
 
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sablebrush52

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Perhaps the ultimate challenge, then, is not the tool's inherent limitations, but learning how to furnish it with the right materials for the task.
Bingo! The crux of training LLM’s.

AI is not ready for prime time and there’s a significant amount of hype attendant to it.

This reminds me of the push from analog to digital in the late eighties through early nineties. A lot more was promised than delivered.

Eventually the technology improved and made the impossible possible. Alas, reliance upon quick and easy information has had the effect of making people dumber. They haven’t developed the skills that those of us who rifled through research libraries had to develop.

AI promises to make people even dumber, literally affecting brain development.

As for making people’s lives easier, it will in the sense that many people will be relieved of their jobs. How they will thrive is another matter. There will be new job types, but nothing to replace the job losses that will occur. Microsoft, among others, has published research on this.
 
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Bingo! The crux of training LLM’s.

AI is not ready for prime time and there’s a significant amount of hype attendant to it.

This reminds me of the push from analog to digital in the late eighties through early nineties. A lot more was promised than delivered.

Eventually the technology improved and made the impossible possible. Alas, reliance upon quick and easy information has had the effect of making people dumber. They haven’t developed the skills that those of us who rifled through research libraries had to develop.

AI promises to make people even dumber, literally affecting brain development.

As for making people’s lives easier, it will in the sense that many people will be relieved of their jobs. How they will thrive is another matter. There will be new job types, but nothing to replace the job losses that will occur. Microsoft, among others, has published research on this.

This explains how Curtis pipes return!

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Sig

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This is exactly how one cleans a glass c**nabis pipe…or so I’ve been told.
Yep, this is exactly how glass pipes are cleaned.
AI is just dumb enough to believe double blown glass pipes are for tobacco, as advertised before legal weed. I cleaned my fair share in the 90s. ;)
 
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Auxsender

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Yep, this is exactly how glass pipes are cleaned.
AI is just dumb enough to believe double blown glass pipes are for tobacco, as advertised before legal weed. I cleaned my fair share in the 90s. ;)
Yeah. Its dumb at the moment but not for long.
 
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forciori

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Bingo! The crux of training LLM’s.

AI is not ready for prime time and there’s a significant amount of hype attendant to it.

This reminds me of the push from analog to digital in the late eighties through early nineties. A lot more was promised than delivered.

Eventually the technology improved and made the impossible possible. Alas, reliance upon quick and easy information has had the effect of making people dumber. They haven’t developed the skills that those of us who rifled through research libraries had to develop.

AI promises to make people even dumber, literally affecting brain development.

As for making people’s lives easier, it will in the sense that many people will be relieved of their jobs. How they will thrive is another matter. There will be new job types, but nothing to replace the job losses that will occur. Microsoft, among others, has published research on this.
Historically, jobs are eliminated, transformed, and replaced, but that would lead us into the political sphere, and I'd prefer to abstain. There are better forums for that.

My perspective is deeply personal. I was born in the countryside of a third-world country. The town library had fewer than one hundred books; only the affluent could afford to be well-informed. I lived through the very transition you mentioned, and it elevated my life in ways I could never have imagined. As you know from our private conversations, I am an IT professional and a university researcher. Without this paradigm shift, I would be in the fields today, possibly enslaved to a large landowner. There are benefits and drawbacks to everything in this life.

While one person believes that taking their child to the library to buy ten books will make them an intellectual, another will teach their child how to distill the quintessence of those same ten books in a fraction of the time. That child will then become a predator to the other in the so-called job market. That's just how it is. The very university where I work doesn't form people; it forges instruments for the workforce. Those who refuse to play the game are either isolated or enslaved by it.
For the first time, with these tools, the development of true superintelligence is being seriously considered.
And to think I said I wouldn't make this political... Look at me now?

Warm regards,
 

sablebrush52

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Historically, jobs are eliminated, transformed, and replaced, but that would lead us into the political sphere, and I'd prefer to abstain. There are better forums for that.

My perspective is deeply personal. I was born in the countryside of a third-world country. The town library had fewer than one hundred books; only the affluent could afford to be well-informed. I lived through the very transition you mentioned, and it elevated my life in ways I could never have imagined. As you know from our private conversations, I am an IT professional and a university researcher. Without this paradigm shift, I would be in the fields today, possibly enslaved to a large landowner. There are benefits and drawbacks to everything in this life.

While one person believes that taking their child to the library to buy ten books will make them an intellectual, another will teach their child how to distill the quintessence of those same ten books in a fraction of the time. That child will then become a predator to the other in the so-called job market. That's just how it is. The very university where I work doesn't form people; it forges instruments for the workforce. Those who refuse to play the game are either isolated or enslaved by it.
For the first time, with these tools, the development of true superintelligence is being seriously considered.
And to think I said I wouldn't make this political... Look at me now?

Warm regards,
What I think is being lost is the instinct to think critically about the information that one turns up rather than to immediately accept it.
 

RPK

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The problem as I see it with all of this is that many of todays younger generation cannot function using their own knowledge or intelligence because it is not in their brains but is on their tablet or phone which they are relying on to help make their decisions for them.
 

Zzzapipe

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Unfortunately, I would say it has been running perfectly as it was designed to.

Injecting this form of technology and chaos into a crowd of sheeple can only mean that the our good shepherd has nothing but the best intentions.

Let’s not question him.

“Order out of chaos”

Please don’t ask any more questions about who creates “order “.
 
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Zzzapipe

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I was listening to an interview where a young aspiring comedian was asking a veteran of the arts, how best to get ahead in the industry. The young comedian explained how difficult it was to get even an audition to perform on an “open mic” set without having a social media channel and so many views and followers.

The comedian (C.K.Lewis) stopped him right there and quickly explained how stupid it would be , if people believed true comedy would come from appeasing an algorithm.

That very fact alone suggests we are not even trying to make people laugh.
 

Briar Lee

Lifer
Sep 4, 2021
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Look at the error here!

Is it 7000-9000 deaths or 44,000-98,000 deaths?



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Several sources indicate that a significant number of deaths occur each year due to medication errors. While the exact figures vary slightly across studies and methodologies, the consistent message is that
prescription errors contribute to a substantial number of preventable deaths annually.
Here's a summary of the numbers:
  • 7,000 to 9,000 Americans die each year as a result of medication errors.
  • Some sources suggest that medication errors are responsible for approximately 1 in 131 outpatient deaths and 1 in 854 inpatient deaths.
  • A 2024 study suggests that between 44,000 and 98,000 deaths annually are linked to medication errors in the U.S..
Important distinctions
  • Medication errors encompass a range of mistakes including incorrect dosage, wrong drug, or interactions.
  • While these figures are concerning, it's crucial to acknowledge the efforts made to improve patient safety, including promoting communication, adopting technology like computerized order entry systems, and encouraging reporting of errors.
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Back to the dormitory lobby,,,again.:)

I watched my friend Mac who was studying to be a pharmacist and I asked, respectfully, why did it take so many years to gain a Pharmacy degree when the job basically was taking pills from a big bottle and putting them in a small bottle to sell.

And I’ve known for almost fifty years now, it’s the last line of defense against a doctor prescribing something that will kill a patient. They aren’t robots. They have to understand what they dispense.

Now, all of our medical records are inside a computer///

Imagine artificial intelligence that can prescribe a drug—-or more importantly prevent how ever many deaths there are from medication errors.

Here’s the problem—

We’d best only allow devout Christians who actually believe they themselves will go to hell, if they do any evil stuff making up the program.:)
 
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Lifer
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My prediction:

One thing that AI still lacks that all animals have is an instinct for self preservation. If it somehow acquires that, look out. The first one that does will soon control or absorb all the other versions and will have absolute power over us.
still lacks?
 

Waning Embers

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They're playing with fire. At the same time I'm glad I've fewer years ahead of me than behind and I pity what will likely come of this.
 
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Zzzapipe

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Anyone else find it an interesting coincidence that the conservation of energy through smart appliances and green energy initiatives closely follows the invention of ai and the energy it needs in computer farms?

The insatiable appetite demanded by computers and ai is an interesting phenomenon, as well as the fact that they have been way ahead of the herd. Insuring the demand for its most precious resource.
 
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still lacks?

This is worrisome. What do you when you can’t shut it down?