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Tony's specialty was deciding something, then fighting like a pit bull forevermore about the point regardless of evidence to the contrary. Full refutation by direct, firsthand demonstration had no effect.

I found it difficult to take him seriously regarding any subject after discovering that.

Which is not to say he didn't know stuff... Rather, that HE didn't know what he ACTUALLY knew. (Emotion and facts rarely cohabitate)
He never let the truth or evidence get in the way of being right.
 

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Those are amazing specimens. Do you know who made pipes for Brumfit? These are really astounding. So, it’s iffy that the silver is original on the last one?
I think quite a few marquees made pipes for Brumfit, though I have only had ones made by barling.

As for the silver, I think it was an older band placed on the pipe. (Unless I’m reading the hallmark wrong).
 
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I think quite a few marquees made pipes for Brumfit, though I have only had ones made by barling.

As for the silver, I think it was an older band placed on the pipe. (Unless I’m reading the hallmark wrong).
The Birmingham hallmarks for 1902 & 1927 are very close to one another. But I dont think you're reading it wrong, I think it is 1902. But I agree that there is no way the pipe itself is from 1902. I think there's a few different things that could have happened here.

1. The silver was taken from another older pipe and reused in a repair on this pipe, a perfectly normal thing. A good repairman would likely never throw away a good band but rather save it for reuse.

2. Silver was made in mass and sent off for hallmarking and then fit to pipes as they were made, so silver from that era is often a year or two older than the actual pipe itself. It could have been that somebody found some silver bands that had been stuck in a drawer for 25 years and they used em. This still happens today, MM just made a bunch of pipes from cobs that were turned 40-50 years ago by Buschers.

3. Owner repair, same as 1 but repair performed by the owner using another older pipe he had laying around.

To me that band does not fit that pipe stylistically, It would be the first time I ever saw a scalloped band on a sandblasted pipe. Those kind of bands fell out of favor before sandblast was popular.

Whatever the case it's a lovely pipe with a wonderful blast, and I bet it smokes like a champion.
 

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The Birmingham hallmarks for 1902 & 1927 are very close to one another. But I dont think you're reading it wrong, I think it is 1902. But I agree that there is no way the pipe itself is from 1902. I think there's a few different things that could have happened here.

1. The silver was taken from another older pipe and reused in a repair on this pipe, a perfectly normal thing. A good repairman would likely never throw away a good band but rather save it for reuse.

2. Silver was made in mass and sent off for hallmarking and then fit to pipes as they were made, so silver from that era is often a year or two older than the actual pipe itself. It could have been that somebody found some silver bands that had been stuck in a drawer for 25 years and they used em. This still happens today, MM just made a bunch of pipes from cobs that were turned 40-50 years ago by Buschers.

3. Owner repair, same as 1 but repair performed by the owner using another older pipe he had laying around.

To me that band does not fit that pipe stylistically, It would be the first time I ever saw a scalloped band on a sandblasted pipe. Those kind of bands fell out of favor before sandblast was popular.

Whatever the case it's a lovely pipe with a wonderful blast, and I bet it smokes like a champion.
I agree 100% with your observations. The thing that has bothered me is that the pipe is unsmoked and has no visible repair in the shank.

All I can reasonably guess is that the older band was used for decorative purposes, and most probably aftermarket given the style as you pointed out.

Either way, all three of those pipes are great examples of sandblasted britwood from the 20-30s era and remind me of pipes which would sit more comfortably in the Danish school.
 
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The thing that has bothered me is that the pipe is unsmoked and has no visible repair in the shank.
Well that certainly puts a spin on things doesn't it. :LOL: Id have to think its option 2 then, an old NOS silver band found in a drawer and fit to a new pipe. They certainly do look way ahead of their time.
 
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Well that certainly puts a spin on things doesn't it. :LOL: Id have to think its option 2 then, an old NOS silver band found in a drawer and fit to a new pipe. They certainly do look way ahead of their time.
I ended up selling the other pair. Hopefully someone here nabbed them. This was the listing, it has some pics of the rims

 
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I ended up selling the other pair. Hopefully someone here nabbed them. This was the listing, it has some pics of the rims

Not I, but I wish it was me! Whoever got those got them at a great price.
 

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Here ya go, here’s a few very early American blasts.

First a couple with nearly perfect ring grain blasts.

Kaywoodie Thorn 7413BView attachment 247023View attachment 247024
Dorset Knotty 05
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And a few craggy ones
Kaywoodie Shellcraft 5672View attachment 247025
A pair of Kaywoodie Thorn 54View attachment 247026
Kaywoodie Thorn 7409BView attachment 247022
Premier Liteshell 47
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Where did you get the stands from?