A question for Peterson specialists

[kenbarnes]

I am trying to date a Peterson pipe twin set. The pair (both oval shanks with Peterson lip) are stamped

Peterson's (with an apostrophe and a 'floral' P)

London & Dublin

Special(which is in a circle), and on the underside are stamped

London Made

England

One pipe is a Canadian shape no._63, and the other is a billiard oval shank shape no. 233 or 255

I think they are old. Any suggestions are really appreciated.

 

[georged]

I happen to have two of those sets, and asked the same question at some point.
My recollectorizer seems to remember mid-1950's through early 1960's. Also, something about the nomenclature of those sets is definitive regarding the upper end date, but I can't recall what. The closing of the London shop, maybe?

 

[georged]

On the other hand, here's an archived listing from 2006 of a "Special" cased pair, which says it's from the 1940s:
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/pre-republic-petersons-1940s-cased-set-dublin

 

[georged]

Here are my two. All four smoke quite well. 8)

 

[warren]

Ken: http://www.peterson.ic They are pretty good and reasonably fast in responding to such questions. At least I find them so.

 

[anthonyrosenthal74]

My understanding is at the time, they were among the higher grade Peterson pipes, and that there were the London and Dublin which were made in London and then the Dublin and London made in Dublin. They revisited the line in homage to those some time back but simply calling them the Dublin and London. Georged, yours are a beautiful set.

 

[dmcmtk]

Not a Peterson's specialist by a long shot, however,

English made Peterson pipes actually spans between the pre-Republic and Republic eras. In 1895, Peterson opened a shop in London England that lasted until the late 1950s or early 1960s. So the English Era, for a simplified date, will be from 1895 through 1959.

Ken, you say, "Peterson's (with an apostrophe and a 'floral' P)"

From the start of the Patent Era until somewhere in the early 1930s, Peterson used the "Old Style" lettering that used a forked tail "P" in Peterson (See enclosure 1). From then until now, Peterson used the more familiar script "P" (See Enclosure 2) intermixed with a plain block letter "P." Later in the 1970s, Peterson began production of "commemorative" pipes, often referred to as "replica" or "retro" pipes and these will also have the old style lettering but according to the pipes that we own and have seen, most of these will have a small difference in the forked tail "P" (See Enclosure 3). Again, there appears to be a cross-over with the old style forked tail and the later forked tail P's.

So, pick your P, (examples, and the above quotes are from here),
https://pipedia.org/wiki/A_Peterson_Dating_Guide;_A_Rule_of_Thumb

 

[kenbarnes]

So, pick your P, (examples, and the above quotes are from here)

It has the 3rd category P and no P logos on the mouthpieces (although I think they are the originals).

Interesting to note that the Petersons name in the lid of the case has no apostrophe.

I have started to clean up the case but not the pipes yet. This 'kidney' shaped case definitely looks pre 1960s.