A Look at STG Internal Documents Regarding the Mac Baren / Sutliff Buyout
- Thread starter Skippy B. Coyote
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I’m wondering since Laudisi owns Peterson if they’ll now push to buy the Peterson/Dunhill blends from STG and have C&D produce them to keep them alive.
Now that is a good idea!
Found this on STG’s site. Maybe someone will find it useful:
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Bummer, but it is what it is at this point and of course it's all business decisions. From the sounds of it (if accurate), there may have been a chance that if left alone, Mac Baren may have imploded on their own at some point anyway. If STG is able to sell off the Sutliff portfolio it'll be interesting seeing who ends up with what. I feel bad for the employees, but who knows it could spawn some sort of micro blending and cottage industry movement for pipe tobacco. Seems like there could be some talent looking for their next thing when all is said and done. Meanwhile I have to decide what I might want to stock up on and gamble on what might survive.
They have a funky smell that can transferr to the tobacco. Glass is probably a bad idea, will definitely break if the ammo can is droped and not efficient use of space. If storing bulk, I would vaccume seal it first to keep any odors from being absorbed, and to condense/compress it. Vacuume sealed and then inside in a 50cal can, they can be tossed around by a 900lb gorilla and still be fine.
Pretty sure STG won't, or will ask an absurd price. Kind of like putting a non compete on an employee you laid off. They seem intent on eliminating any competition, which seems to be what is behind the razing of Sutliff as opposed to putting it up for sale. I hope I am wrong.
The destruction of manufacturing machines is not just immoral, it is mean and spiteful, imho. Dropping brands/blends in half sounds like bean counters that just don't understand nor care about the business and it's customers. I have bought MORE tobacco because of the variety of blends than if there were fewer. Depending on how this all shakes out, I'm very primed and well motivated to 'boycott with a vengeance' any and all STG products. I'm heartened with the mention of a new opportunity for more new/boutique blends. I'm also concerned about the growers...and what this (inevitable?) reduction in buyers might mean. 
So will 24' Cringle Flake be Sutliffs' swan song? If so, a perfect offering if it is true this has the last of McClelland in it.🫡
I admit that I'm a lukewarm Sutliff/McB fan--I mostly stick to GLP/C&D, HU, Gawith, and Germain's at this point--but it sounds to me like STG is just cutting down the portfolio for McBaren and their own stuff. It's only Sutliff getting the big gutting. I find it odd, though, that the Dunhill/Peterson stuff is specifically mentioned. I always see several of those in the top ten for the day/month. I also admit that I've pretty much stopped smoking that stuff in favor of Pease blends; EMP was the only Dunhill I regularly smoked and that's ended with the discovery of Chelsea Morning. Sounds like the Dunhill stuff is getting the slow phase out till 2028, so plenty of time for those who want to stock up.
I agree, that hurt me a little too as I find manufacturing machinery in general quite interesting, particularly older equipment. I do wonder though if that's the case, whether the equipment was deemed to not be up to their standards, too costly to move, and or maintain/repair. Even if left intact I can't imagine there's much of a market for such equipment either.
I will stock up on a few select blends and afterwards will buy nothing STG.
I am most concerned about the effect on the small blenders who have relied on Sutliff.
I am most concerned about the effect on the small blenders who have relied on Sutliff.
This is business in the modern world. The movers and shakers only care about the bottom line. As was already said, "they want to be bankers" not tobacco producers. This is what corporations are all about, the actual product is inconsequential. It's all about consolidation and control. You can look at almost any industry and this same pattern is there. The corporate media is a great example of this. There are not that many parent companies any more. Again, consolidate and control. Centralize everything.
Money is NOT the root of all evil. The LOVE of money is.
There. My 2 cents.
Money is NOT the root of all evil. The LOVE of money is.
There. My 2 cents.
It happens quite often in buyouts and mergers in favor of the buying company's equipment. They'd likely get more for the scrap versus the intact machinery and no cost of transport from one facility to another.
With regard the fate of blenders who rely on Sutliff components, my guess is that they are stocking up as best they can, while they can, and will make further decisions down the road.
As has been noted, there are other suppliers, but processing is another issue.
Buy what you like while you can, before you are limited to choosing between CRAP #1 and CRAP #2.
We certainly live in interesting times.
As has been noted, there are other suppliers, but processing is another issue.
Buy what you like while you can, before you are limited to choosing between CRAP #1 and CRAP #2.
We certainly live in interesting times.
I'm a bit confused.
Admittedly I did not watch the video in its entirety in real time. I jumped to various points, watched several bits, and scanned the whole video at higher speed several times but nowhere did I see any actual "STG internal documents ". Can someone please provide the time(s) in the video when bona fide documents were shown?
Admittedly I did not watch the video in its entirety in real time. I jumped to various points, watched several bits, and scanned the whole video at higher speed several times but nowhere did I see any actual "STG internal documents ". Can someone please provide the time(s) in the video when bona fide documents were shown?
He read what he received from his source. Certainly sounded like official plans to me.