Per STG’s Leonardw, Sutliff’s 507c was produced by STG all along and is also sold as Peter Stokkebye - Luxury Navy Flake. It is also has some perique in it. If true, this blows my mind. Everyone was filling their cellars with the stuff before STG could close down production, and it was made by STG in the first place!
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I know he said they are the same blend. But I beg to differ.
It has been a well known for a long time that 507c is an STG product. They never tried to hide it.
the easiest way it seems to keep a secret is to just rely on the lack of inquisitive spirit in the average chump.
Just because YOU just discovered something, doesn't mean that the rest of the world has it's head in the sand.
I argue that all the time with people. I put it as just because you just noticed doesn't mean it's new.
It still blows my mind either way, buddy.
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And nowhere did I say that the rest of the world didn’t know. I am a member of a few forums and this one is easily the meanest. Weird since I would think it would be the most laid back.
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I don't think this forum is mean, most people here are very nice. But there are a few members who seem to like taking a high stance and telling others (newer members mostly) how they should feel and what they should or should not ask or discuss, and coming off as snobs in general.
I find the “ignore” button to be very effective in keeping my experience here happy, which it very much is.
You should use it if you don’t already.
EDIT: Click the user’s name, then click “ignore” in the lower left corner of that dialog box.
The improvement I wish we had would be a proactive ignore list that would allow posters to post in such a way that their posts would be ignored by those who seem to love to troll others. Honest discussions too often get way laid by trolls looking for either a distraction or a chance to side line a line of thought.
I'm in agreement. I don't know what Leonardw was smoking, but it sure wasn't 507C. I can fairly conclusively say that Sutliff 507C and Peter Stokkebye Luxury Navy Flake are not the same blend for one reason that's very obvious to me but might go unnoticed by others. Simply put, I'm allergic to Perique and any time I smoke a blend with even a tiny bit of Perique in it the lymph nodes under my jaw on both sides swell up and I get a tight feeling sore throat and puffed up watery eyes.
507C is one of my regular everyday smokes and it never bothers me one bit, but 15 minutes into smoking Luxury Navy Flake and my lymph nodes start swelling up and I get all the allergic reaction symptoms I get when I smoke anything containing Perique. So, I can confidently conclude that while they may look, taste, and smell quite similar Sutliff 507C does not have Perique in it but Peter Stokkebye Luxury Navy Flake does.
The ignore function has made the forum experience much more enjoyable.
This only shows how strong the power of suggestion is. 507C had been called a straight Virginia and everyone swears by that. PS400 is sold as a VaPer, and everyone talks about the perique. The truth is, Leonard knows what he is talking about. The programs to make these two tobaccos are identical. There is absolutely no difference. Leonard feared he misremembered and went to check for sure after all of this when I spoke with him. But in the end, he recalled correctly and there is visual evidence out there. I don't know what your reaction to it is, but it is certainly not an allergy if triggered by one but not both of these tobaccos.
Assuming that they are the same, could the batch you tried have had some cross contamination?
That’s exactly what I was thinking. Like the warning on some items that say it was produced on machinery that produces products containing nuts, even though there aren’t actual nuts in that product.
After producing something with Perique, the first few batches through get labeled LNF. Then later batches get labeled 507
Glad I learned that early, I was able to focus more of my panic budget on the Sutliff virginias that represented a unique loss.