My Epiphany About the Importance of Packing

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lithicus

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It's been a while since I've posted. But, I've had several thoughts on my mind and a few new pipes I wanted to share. My posts are more story like and long winded. But, here is one of my thoughts I felt worth sharing.

My journey with pipe tobacco started 2 years ago, but I have been a smoker for over 20. This experience helped me but also biased my thoughts. I felt I was packing right, tamping right, and smoking right. I did the "like water through a straw, not a milkshake" thing. The baby, lady, man pack. My pipes rarely got so hot I had to set them down. I must be doing everything perfectly! Right!? lol Yet, I was still getting wetter than usual smokes and left feeling like I was missing out on flavors.

My eldest dog was having issues, and so I temporarily "moved" downstairs. This way, she wouldn't have to go up and down the stairs at night and I could keep an eye on her. This put a pause on my pipe smoking, but led me to watching lots of pipe tobacco reviews and related videos; particularly long form ones where you kind of hang out with the person throughout the entire smoke. One thing stuck out to me... And, I've heard it said so many times. These people were getting through a bowl in 45mins-1.5hrs tops. I understand bowl size matters, but I was smoking regular/medium sized bowls and often getting 2.5 to 3hrs out of my smokes. Were they not sipping? My "clouds" of smoke were maybe a little more wispy than theirs. But, I'd find it hard to believe they weren't sipping. They were getting flavors I only dreamt of. They also didn't seem to be getting wet pipes, which I struggled with. These were experienced smokers. Without question, their technique was, more likely than not, better than mine. Then it dawned on me... we were both sipping relatively the same amount. The reason my smokes were lasting longer, the reason I was missing out on flavor, and likely the reason my smokes were wet, was because I was putting way more tobacco in my pipe than they were in theirs. Sure, I had learned to smoke these heavy packs lightly; sipping to avoid overheating the pipe. And, maybe I could have refined that technique more. But, I wanted to get back to experimenting with packing techniques; aiming to get into that 45min-1.5hr smoke range with more flavor and less moisture. Forgetting all of my preconceptions. Starting anew.

Due to me having "moved" downstairs, I had gone a few weeks without smoking a pipe as I previously stated. Unable to take it any longer, giving into the craving for a pipe, and filled with a newfound curiosity, I brought my pipes and tobacco downstairs, cracked a window, and began the ritual. It was an early morning on a work day. A Monday if I recall correctly. And man, for some reason I was craving breakfast. I immediately grabbed Autumn Evening and my corn cob that I've dedicated to aros. I always enjoyed the tin and room note of this tobacco. But never got much flavor out of it. Knowing that aros can often smoke wet/hot, I just dropped tobacco into the pipe; tapping it against my palm after every pinch. Essentially, the gravity fill method. Once I got toward the top, where a pinch would not fall into the pipe but rather sit in a "half in half out" state, I ever so lightly pressed this down so everything was just under the rim. I could tell already this was way lighter a pack than normal for me. It felt dainty... airy even. Mind you, I'm talking about the pack; not the draw or anything else.

I lit up, and everything was going well at the start. I never had issues getting flavors off the rip. But, those often quickly dissipated. It being a lighter pack, I had to tamp sooner than normal. And, I immediately noticed how "light" the tamping was. I tried to only focused on tamping around the edges to avoid compressing the tobacco. I needed this pack to stay light. I could already tell this was going to be a shorter smoke and I felt I was going down the right path.

Before I knew it, I was half way through the pipe and enjoying flavors more than ever before. This turned out to be one of the best smokes I'd had up to that point in time. I was done in probably just over an hour. The smoke stayed dry the whole way through. Literally not a drop of moisture on the pipe cleaner after I finished. I was starting to really enjoy this aro! I smoked probably 6 more bowls of Autumn Evening over the course of a few days in an attempt to repeat this experience, and I was successful in doing so.

I took this newfound epiphany to my VAs/VaPers. Pack light, tamp light. Sip like I always did. Perfection! New flavors. Little moisture. And more reasonable smoking times to boot (it's hard for me to set aside 2.5-3hrs, 45mins-1.5hrs is much more doable).

I'm sure there will be many that, as a result of this post, will ask me to revisit assumptions or my technique further. And, I will take these into consideration. But, I feel like I've finally started to "get it" and have found a packing technique that truly works well for me; my tamping style and cadence. If I could give one piece of advice to new smokers, it would be packing lighter and tamping softer. Forget about the "draw like straw". Sipping is important too, but my experience has shown me that sipping alone (even when done properly) is not enough for that "next level" smoking experience. I did not change my cadence at all. I simply changed my pack; my tamp changed as a result of that. And it was world changing.

If you made it this far, congratulations lol I hope taking you along in this journey was useful or at the very least entertaining.
 
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plugugly

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Lithicus, someone asked Jiminks (proving that there are no dumb questions) how he packed his pipe to find all those flavors. Short answer was basically - gravity method! I tried it and it was great. I'll be adding the technique you outlined for a try so thanks for sharing.
 

lithicus

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Lithicus, someone asked Jiminks (proving that there are no dumb questions) how he packed his pipe to find all those flavors. Short answer was basically - gravity method! I tried it and it was great. I'll be adding the technique you outlined for a try so thanks for sharing.
Oh interesting!! I guess a weird analogy here would be distillers and bourbon. I guess they water things down pretty heavily, relative to a single ice cube or a drop of water, when tasting. I had not heard that about Jiminks, but that encourages me that I'm not that far off the trail.

One other thing I realized as I was sipping my coffee and preparing another NPD post... I would often tamp before almost every light. I would tell myself, if I do it lightly enough then it could not have any negative impact. I challenged this idea and pulled from some statements I believe I've read here before. Essentially, the purpose of tamping is to allow the ember to grow into unlit tobacco. If you can relight your pipe and it stays lit for 5+ mins, then tamping isn't really necessary. By tamping far less often, I'm able to maintain the light pack that I built to begin with. And, I think keeping the pack light is critically important. If you gravity fill and tamp it before every relight, halfway down the bowl it's no longer gravity filled. It's likely quite compressed even if you think you are tamping lightly!

Trying relighting your pipe before tamping. If you're half way through the pipe, struggling to get the pipe relit, and you did a gravity fill, then you probably need to tamp.
 
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Oh interesting!! I guess a weird analogy here would be distillers and bourbon. I guess they water things down pretty heavily, relative to a single ice cube or a drop of water, when tasting. I had not heard that about Jiminks, but that encourages me that I'm not that far off the trail.

One other thing I realized as I was sipping my coffee and preparing another NPD post... I would often tamp before almost every light. I would tell myself, if I do it lightly enough then it could not have any negative impact. I challenged this idea and pulled from some statements I believe I've read here before. Essentially, the purpose of tamping is to allow the ember to grow into unlit tobacco. If you can relight your pipe and it stays lit for 5+ mins, then tamping isn't really necessary. By tamping far less often, I'm able to maintain the light pack that I built to begin with. And, I think keeping the pack light is critically important. If you gravity fill and tamp it before every relight, halfway down the bowl it's no longer gravity filled. It's likely quite compressed even if you think you are tamping lightly!

Trying relighting your pipe before tamping. If you're half way through the pipe, struggling to get the pipe relit, and you did a gravity fill, then you probably need to tamp.
This is why I like to use a fingertip to tamp whenever possible. I think "touch" rather than "push" and that prevents me from compressing any more than necessary to keep the ember in contact with fresh tobacco.
 

anotherbob

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I've been smoking a pipe since 1994 and I still get to figure out new things that make it a bit more enjoyable. Packing though might be the hardest thing to explain to a new smoker. The second hardest thing to explain is that their idea of a slow and gentle isn't any where close to what's actually possible. The third thing that's hard to explain is that we're all really kind of nerds.
 

lithicus

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Yeah, all of that is really nice- BUT HOW IS YOUR DOG?!?!?
I'm quite happy that she is still going 16 years strong! A wise beagle in her old age. But boy has it been a year... I was worried about 6 months ago when she started stumbling, unable to walk, that she had neurological damage. Thought we were going to have to put her down. She spent a week at the vet and things only had gotten worse. Wouldn't eat, drink, move, chronic diarrhea. (Meanwhile, my wife was in the ER prepping for an appendix surgery.) The vet said best case scenario it's one of the worst bouts of vertigo the vet has ever seen. There was nothing more they could do. So, got the doggo back to the house. She was on a ton of meds. And slowly but surely, she got back on her feet! She takes 1 dramamine daily now, but is off all the other meds. 6 months later and she will stumble here and there, but gets around well and seems healthy for a 16yo all things considered ❤️ (My wife also made it through her surgery, had some complications, but all is well 🤗)

I also got stung by an in-ground yellow jacket hive on two separate occasions this summer while mowing; opposite sides of the yard. One sting got infected. Took out 6 (??) nests I think in total? And last winter, a deer must've gotten clipped on the road and crawled up onto a distant corner of our property. When I found it come springtime, it was closer to the road than the woods. So, I dragged it in a tarp for the game warden to come pick up. Quite a year it has been indeed...

On a lighter note, it was very considerate of you guys to ask how the girl was doing and sorry for the trauma dump hahahh I'm very happy to have this pipe, my wife healthy, and the doggo by my side.

This is why I like to use a fingertip to tamp whenever possible. I think "touch" rather than "push" and that prevents me from compressing any more than necessary to keep the ember in contact with fresh tobacco.
I should do this more often. It is something I have done in the past with other things and I agree. Having that touch, that feel, makes a big difference. Most don't do it because their fingertips aren't calloused enough and it hurts, but I play guitar and my fingers have long been used to it. I also tend to just not tamp anything if it's lit anyway? So, I guess you shouldn't really be burning your finger or you're doing it wrong.

I've been smoking a pipe since 1994 and I still get to figure out new things that make it a bit more enjoyable. Packing though might be the hardest thing to explain to a new smoker. The second hardest thing to explain is that their idea of a slow and gentle isn't any where close to what's actually possible. The third thing that's hard to explain is that we're all really kind of nerds.
hahaha we are all definitely some degree of nerd! And, I'm starting to realize your other points myself. I do think it is hard to teach someone what it means to truly sip and what a good cadence is. In part because I think a good cadence is also dynamic and will change based on the state of the ember. You have to learn to feel the cadence the pipe requests, not demand the cadence that you want. But, packing I think is more often misunderstood and equally hard to teach. It, too, is dynamic based on how the tobacco is cut/prepared. But, pressure... a tight pack, a loose pack... These are all unquantifiable for all intents and purposes. I make a lot of correlations to pocket knives. But, it reminds me of what they refer to as the "pull" on a folding blade; a rating of 1-10 with 1 being the knife falls open and 10 being you need pliers to open it. This is different for everyone. And so is, baby finger lady finger man finger. When it comes to packing, you really have to find out how to best combine the way you are preparing the tobacco with how you are packing it, which will influence tamping in my opinion as well as your cadence. For the best smokes, one cannot be without the other. They must all harmonize.

This individual eventually had a similar epiphany...:
:LOL: The ass end of that van is sitting soooo low to the ground 🤣Overpacked indeed!
 

lithicus

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I tend to just silently accuse those video makers of blatantly making stuff up for the sake of the video. Wouldn't get many views if he said, "This tastes like a pile of yard trash burning." LOL
I get what you're saying. And, I think that is what was so interesting about this epiphany... It wasn't about the review. It was about finally having an "ah-ha moment" when (essentially) sitting down with a pipe smoker and watching him smoke the whole thing, uninterrupted. No cuts. Just casual conversation about similar interests. It was only after many of these videos playing the background and stuff that I realized they were all around 45mins to 1.5hrs. Yet, my smokes were far far longer. Unexplainably longer. Why?? AH HA! (It's so obvious now lol) He wasn't smoking faster than me, I was smoking more tobacco! Logical conclusion was pack WAYYY less into the pipe. And, it seemed to work wonders for me!

I unfortunately don't know a single person that smokes pipes, and I don't get out very often. A little introverted to be honest. So, this was the most accessible experience I could find. Hopefully, some of the information in this post will help others who might struggle with this hobby to question their methods from a new perspective. And maybe save them from having to watch these videos like me! 😝 If you are new and you can, go hang out with long time pipe smokers!! That experience seems invaluable.
 

lithicus

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What the OP describes is quite similar to the Frank method.
I started with the three stages method and it worked quite well. Then I discovered the Frank method and never looked back.
I wouldn't disagree with this statement. I even tried the Frank method 2 years ago when first starting. What I think is subjective about this method is how big that last pinch is. I would argue most use too large of a "final pinch". I know I certainly did. The result was loose tobacco underneath and overly packed tobacco on top. If I do a final pinch at all in the method I described above, it is very very small. I would argue that my new method for packing a pipe is loose / lightly packed tobacco the whole way through.

I like to jam it in hard as if the chamber was a nun's grommet. Habit?
I'm with BingBong.....
Here's me and BingBong loading our pipe:

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I guess my question to people like yourself would be... If you are smoking out of a typical Group 3 pipe, how long are your smokes when you load a pipe like that? I assume you are getting expected flavors and not ending up with excessive moisture in the pipe. 45mins? 1hr? 2hrs??

A huge part of my epiphany and confusion about my prior experiences was a Group 3 pipe was lasting me 2+ hours consistently. I was not setting the pipe down for extended periods of time, nor do I believe my cadence was far different than your own (but I could be wrong here). If anything, my inexperience would lead me to believe I have a faster cadence than most experienced smokers; not a slower one.

So, this begs the question... You may say you are jamming it in hard, jackhammer like even. But, that is subjective. Surely you're still able to draw on the pipe easily and not trying to suck a Wendy's frosty through a small straw. And since this jam hard packing is subjective, perhaps, I was packing my pipe even tighter than you without either of us realizing it. You might even say it was likely I was packing my pipe even tighter than you guys. I simply have no other explanations as to how a Group 3 pipe could last me 2-3 hours; which based on my research is not the norm (as well as any norm can be defined). Either everyone else is smoking way faster than me (unlikely), or I am smoking way more tobacco than everyone else (most likely?). I deduced that, perhaps, if I wanted more flavor and less moisture, experimenting with less tobacco was worthwhile. This has worked for me and I'm not sure I'll change it in the near future until I perfect it. To be clear, I'm also not criticizing anyone for packing their pipe however best works for them.

I know a lot of that may seem rhetorical. But, it is a genuine question. Are there people that cram so much tobacco into the Group 3 pipe that they are able to achieve 2-3 hour smokes? If you are able to get flavor and little moisture in this scenario, is it because you are sipping slower than me? If so, then that would imply that because I'm smoking faster but getting similar 2-3 hour smoke times, I must be using more tobacco than you.
 
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lithicus

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I also wanted to make a short write up about my tobacco preparation. I'll try to keep it short and sweet. But, this is critical to my packing method. If you have a pipe that is 3/4in ID and 1.25in deep, and you take ribbons that are 2 inches long and try to "drop" it in the pipe, it simply will not work. Gravity, and even tapping it against your palm, will not be enough for the tobacco to settle. I break up my tobacco just enough so that when I drop it in the pipe and tap it against my palm, that gravity allows it to fall to the bottom of the pipe. If you drop tobacco into the pipe, tap it against your palm, and it doesn't fall to the bottom so you use your finger/tamper to push it to the bottom, then you are not gravity feeding the pipe.

Also, I heard someone say that you should pack your pipe like you build a fire. I've always done this, but I think this is important to my packing method as well (which seems to just be gravity fill, nothing new). I break everything up and make a mound of tobacco on the plate. I'll work this mound a little bit with my fingers after, allowing gravity to do its thing. Ensuring that smaller bits are on the bottom of the mound and bigger bits are on top. I work from the top of the mound to the bottom when grabbing pinches to gravity fill the pipe. At the very end, I'm left with almost a fine dust, which I use the fingertip of my index finger to pick up (sometimes I have to lick my finger so it "sticks" to my fingertip), and I put this on last to help with my initial light.
 
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bersekero

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The size of the final pinch (plug) depends on the size of the chamber. For a group 3 all I need is a small pinch while a big #55 castello needs a much bigger one.
There were times when a small group 3 bowl lasted me too long say 1.5 hours but that happened only with slow burning flakes.
 
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