That's right...in most cases they're the ones who made the videos.
I'm glad you're not listening to me btw.
Proposed UK tobacco ban
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That's right...in most cases they're the ones who made the videos.
I'm glad you're not listening to me btw.
That right has been exercised far less often now that Dan Tobacco has discontinued Holly's Non Plus Ultra, yes?
Yes of course, as I said, they are not constitutional rights. They are 'natural rights'. I'm more confortable discussing natural rights, as the idea has universal applicability, in the way the American Constitution obviously doesn't. The latter was written after a bloody war, and is specific to that time and place, (its ongoing significance is for Americans to decide). Natural rights, as you've said, have a far longer history, and they are philosophical ideas that have been postulated by thinkers throughout the ages. I'm happy to concide the points you've made about the 2nd Amendment, and its near incontestable state in modern America. But I would still push you on how you think the common sense notions of natural rights plays out in modern America, or anywhere such notions exist alongside modern, pluralistic societies.
Looks like this thread got derailed... It was supposed to be subjects justifying the abuses put on 'em by their rulers.
We messed it all up discussing the rights of citizens in a republic.
We messed it all up discussing the rights of citizens in a republic.
I’d like to extend my gratitude for the sun. It helps tobacco to grow.
Yep. I don't think anybody has mentioned this but New Zealand did this a couple of years ago and it only lasted months until they abolished it anyway.
Kids can't buy tobacco products but will have no trouble buying vapes and or black market cigarettes at a fraction of the cost, pushing the number of new smokers up instead of down.
Kids can't buy tobacco products but will have no trouble buying vapes and or black market cigarettes at a fraction of the cost, pushing the number of new smokers up instead of down.
Have you been watching YouTube as well? Another one who's had too much screen time lol.
Not me...I've decided from now on I'm getting all my information only from the BBC.
"Natural rights" is such a broad topic. In my experience most Americans agree with living the way they want with as little government intrusion as possible.
Natural rights in America are generally seen as, like ive said several times, do what you want as long as you're not hurting, or violating someone else's rights.
I believe many of the problems that come along with this is some Americans get confused.
Being able to eat food is obviously a natural right. Whether you hunt for it, barter for it, or buy it. Many in America believe that food stamps are a right....they are not. Nobody is obliged to feed you. Also, medical care is not a right. We have socialized medicine here in the US, its called Medicaid. Many Americans believe Medicaid is a right, it is not.
You have the natural right to seek out any medical care you desire. From modern medicine, to herbal medicine, to ancient Chinese medicine. But nobody is obliged to pay for it.
Just like the three mentioned in the Declaration. YOU need to make those things happen. Nobody's obliged to give you a good life, or happiness.
Liberty was given to all Americans so they could go be what they wanted to be. Raise their children the way they want. Post what you want online without being jailed. Live where you want to live. These are just things ALL living people should have.
That's fair enough. I totally see where you're coming from. I would say this, access to food, medicine etc in societies where these things are in abundance, can quite easily fit in the philosophical framework of natural rights. At least when we move away from the common sense notion of what these things are, and we actually thrash them out as they will be interpreted in the real world (your constitution being perhaps the best example). So for you, access to guns is one interpretation of natural rights, for me, access to food and medicine is. In my opinion, the problems begin when one group say they have *the* interpretation of natural rights, and this interpretation is the same across space and time, and is not open to changing demographics, nor contestable by democratic means.
Man! I have to say this a damn refreshing conversation. Even civilized! I am sick to death of the partisan arguments, violence, authoritarianism, liberal loonies and all the rest.
Just let me smoke my pipe in peace!
Just let me smoke my pipe in peace!
Access to guns is not a natural right.
Access to the means to defend myself, my loved ones, and others from violent attackers by any means necessary IS a natural right. Every living being has the "right" to self defense. If a bad guy is using a gun, or im extremely outnumbered, or there is a large disparity of some sort, I want every advantage. However someone sees it, guns are unfortunately necessary sometimes.
A few years ago my 22 year old niece was coming out of an Olive Garden restaurant after work. There were two guys in the parking lot. One of the guys asked if they could get a ride. She politely told them no. The guy who asked grabbed her around the throat. She threw her keys on the ground. He told her to get in the the car, while the other guy grabbed her keys. She resisted long enough for her 6'2" 190 pound, 19 year old ex- wrestler co-worker to come out. He ended the incident very quickly. At the time it was illegal to carry pepper spray, stun gun/tazer, and you needed a permit to carry a firearm.
She immediately applied for her permit. It took 11 months for NYS to approve it. Now she goes very few places without a handgun. I have been teaching firearms classes for years. I've heard dozens of similar stories.
My point is, as long as there are bad guys, people need to defend themselves. You can probably guess what might have happened to my niece if the dude didn't come out in time. Im hearing about a LOT of similar things happening in Europe...except in countries who allow concealed carry...Poland, Hungary, Serbia, Czech.....
The right to life and saftey is the paramount natural right there is.
So you've gotten your BritCard already?Not me...I've decided from now on I'm getting all my information only from the BBC.
Getting back to the subject at hand, I assume there will be a black market available once a total ban goes into effect. Here in the U.S., there has been an embargo on all Cuban products since 1962 but Cuban cigars are readily available at least in most major cities.
Not yet, but I hope to soon.
I'm building a raft and will attempt to cross the pond soon to apply for refugee status.
This anti-tobacco push isn't economics - its a crusade. Here's the economics using 2017 - the latest year I can find from Canada because they are honest with their statistics but a similar health system to the UK. From Google:
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Tobacco smoking cost Canada approximately $6.1 billion in direct health care costs in 2017, according to a report from the Government of Canada.
In 2016-2017, Canada collected an estimated $8.43 billion in tobacco taxes from both federal and provincial-territorial governments
And there you have it,
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Tobacco smoking cost Canada approximately $6.1 billion in direct health care costs in 2017, according to a report from the Government of Canada.
In 2016-2017, Canada collected an estimated $8.43 billion in tobacco taxes from both federal and provincial-territorial governments
And there you have it,
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