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Briar Lee

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Seems like every day another country is stopping mail of packages to the US, due to confusion regarding what to charge due to tariffs and taxes (Of course, a tariff IS a tax that gets paid by US importers who, at their discretion, pass the increased cost on to you). Today, Mexico declared that they would not send mail to the US until they got more clarity about how to charge for any new tariffs or taxes. That brings the total to about 30 countries that have suspended or limited postal services to the US.

The Yale Budget Lab estimates that tariffs will increase the cost of normal purchases by $2400 per household for 2025. Think of that as a tax hike.


In the meantime, the confusion grows.

Miss Charlotte hammered into our seventh grade heads that America was the first trillion dollar economy.

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The United States' Gross Domestic Product(GDP) in 1969 was approximately $1.017 trillion. The US was the first country in the world to reach this economic milestone, with Japan following in 1978 and Germany in 1986.
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Today we enjoy a 30.5 trillion a year GDP

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In 1969 America exported

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In 1969, total U.S. exports were approximately $55.5 billion, with a net trade surplus (exports minus imports) of around $1.9 billion. The value of U.S. exports of goods was $36.4 billion

Total exports and imports in 1969 were barely 100 billion combined.

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Let’s see what 2024 imports and exports were—-

In 2024, U.S. exports totaled $3.19 trillion, while imports reached $4.11 trillion, resulting in a goods and services deficit of $918.4 billion, an increase from the previous year. Major exports included machinery, electrical equipment, and mineral fuels, while the top imports were also dominated by machinery, vehicles, and electrical equipment. Key trading partners for exports included Mexico, Canada, and China, while the largest import partners were Mexico, China, and Canada

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Geezus.

In constant dollars last year we exported and imported nearly the entire GDP of the USA in 1969.

This nation is about three and a half times richer in constant dollars than when we put a man on the moon the first time.

Our ports are (or a very short time ago were) bursting with commerce from around the world.


I surely hope that the present day Smoots and Hawleys, against all odds and all historical experience, are correct we can tariff our way to stronger growth.

Because we have a long, long way to fall.
 
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sablebrush52

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Miss Charlotte hammered into our seventh grade heads that America was the first trillion dollar economy.

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The United States' Gross Domestic Product(GDP) in 1969 was approximately $1.017 trillion. The US was the first country in the world to reach this economic milestone, with Japan following in 1978 and Germany in 1986.
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Today we enjoy a 30.5 trillion a year GDP

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In 1969 America exported

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In 1969, total U.S. exports were approximately $55.5 billion, with a net trade surplus (exports minus imports) of around $1.9 billion. The value of U.S. exports of goods was $36.4 billion

Total exports and imports in 1969 were barely 100 billion combined.

—-

Let’s see what 2024 imports and exports were—-

In 2024, U.S. exports totaled $3.19 trillion, while imports reached $4.11 trillion, resulting in a goods and services deficit of $918.4 billion, an increase from the previous year. Major exports included machinery, electrical equipment, and mineral fuels, while the top imports were also dominated by machinery, vehicles, and electrical equipment. Key trading partners for exports included Mexico, Canada, and China, while the largest import partners were Mexico, China, and Canada

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Geezus.

In constant dollars last year we exported and imported nearly the entire GDP of the USA in 1969.

This nation is about three and a half times richer in constant dollars than when we put a man on the moon the first time.

Our ports are (or a very short time ago were) bursting with commerce from around the world.


I surely hope that the present day Smoots and Hawleys, against all odds and all historical experience, are correct we can tariff our way to stronger growth.

Because we have a long, long way to fall.
Smoot Hawley is credited with exacerbating the depth and duration of the Great Depression, so don't hold your breath. Tariffs are taxes on imports that get passed on to consumers in the form of price increases. Didn't work so well in the 30's. 2024 dollars are only worth a fraction of 1969 dollars, so when making comparisons, make sure to compensate for that.

As for wealth, this nation is hocked to its ears. We look good on the surface. The national debt is bad enough, though once upon a time it wouldn't have mattered that much because it was money we owed ourselves. It's not that way any longer. But far worse is the amount of personal debt which is at record highs.

Wall Street made a pot load of money breaking up and selling off American industries in the late 70's and 80's. All of that offshoring allowed Americans to load up on cheap crap, 3 to 4 TV's at home, cheap clothes, cheap toys, etc, etc. It also destroyed a lot of manufacturing communities.

It's going to take a lot of time to undo even part of that, and tech will make a lot of that manufacturing employment redundant within a handful of years.

GDP isn't the best measure of economic activity, in any case. Even the economist who established this measurement said that. But people gravitate toward simple explanations.
 

sardonicus87

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Jun 28, 2022
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Smoot Hawley is credited with exacerbating the depth and duration of the Great Depression, so don't hold your breath. Tariffs are taxes on imports that get passed on to consumers in the form of price increases. Didn't work so well in the 30's. 2024 dollars are only worth a fraction of 1969 dollars, so when making comparisons, make sure to compensate for that.

As for wealth, this nation is hocked to its ears. We look good on the surface. The national debt is bad enough, though once upon a time it wouldn't have mattered that much because it was money we owed ourselves. It's not that way any longer. But far worse is the amount of personal debt which is at record highs.

Wall Street made a pot load of money breaking up and selling off American industries in the late 70's and 80's. All of that offshoring allowed Americans to load up on cheap crap, 3 to 4 TV's at home, cheap clothes, cheap toys, etc, etc. It also destroyed a lot of manufacturing communities.

It's going to take a lot of time to undo even part of that, and tech will make a lot of that manufacturing employment redundant within a handful of years.

GDP isn't the best measure of economic activity, in any case. Even the economist who established this measurement said that. But people gravitate toward simple explanations.
And don't forget about asset poverty...

 

Brig

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My other hobby is buying and selling military antiquities. There are a surprising amount of European collectors of US military antiques, and many of these countries have significant import taxes on purchases but are much more lenient/non-existent on gifts. It is very common for overseas buyers to ask me to check "gift" on the shipping declaration with a value under $30.

I suspect that this is how US buyers are going to get around this, simply by committing mail fraud. And I suspect many Europeans will be happy to do so, having relied on US sellers to do the same for them for years.
 

Terry Lennox

Part of the Furniture Now
Aug 11, 2021
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Between the weakened US dollar and the new tariffs my days of surfing the European pipe sites for Castellos and Dunhills are sadly coming to a close. I used to pick up real bargains compared to US retailers especially when you factored in the (formerly) stronger dollar and lack of US state sales tax.
 

OzPiper

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Wall Street made a pot load of money breaking up and selling off American industries in the late 70's and 80's. All of that offshoring allowed Americans to load up on cheap crap, 3 to 4 TV's at home, cheap clothes, cheap toys, etc, etc. It also destroyed a lot of manufacturing communities.

It's going to take a lot of time to undo even part of that, and tech will make a lot of that manufacturing employment redundant within a handful of years.
Australia is in an even more parlous state than the USA, with very few real manufacturing industries left.

We were assembling (definitely NOT manufacturing) cars until a few years ago. All those factories have closed.

Australia produces much of the finest wool in the world. All sent off shore for processing, then imported back to Australia as high cost fabric.

When all our oil and gas reserves have been exhausted and minerals mined, all we will have will be huge holes in the ground.

During the height of the COVID epidemic, we ran out of toilet paper, as we weren't producing sufficient for domestic use. There were fights in the supermarket aisles. Laughable, if it wasn't tragic.

The lucky country ? Once was !
 

sablebrush52

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Well, then there’s this headline today…
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Yep, though Nvidia, in which I own shares, dropped a little. Don't read too much into these numbers. Markets don't always reflect the broader economy.

There's a lot of commentary about the lofty prices, and one of the things I have taken from this, as a long term investor, is that a lot of people get paid a lot of money for not knowing what they are talking about, since they tend to disagree with one another.

The more technical commentators are predicting, based on past patterns, a market correction, downward, of between 15% and 40%. Much of the high valuation is caused by a very thin number of stocks, so not a broad market. AI enthusiasm may be at the base of what's happening. Pick your poison.
 

Briar Lee

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Well, then there’s this headline today…
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The future is a black wall, and we cannot see one inch beyond it.

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The Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJIA) first closed above 1,000 points on November 14, 1972, finishing at 1,003.16, a significant milestone that occurred amid positive economic news and investors' optimism for American business. This historic moment followed earlier attempts, including a brief breach of the 1,000 mark in January 1966, but November 1972 was when the index sustained that level at the close of trading.

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1973–1974 oil crisis
The 1973 OPEC oil embargo led to a severe stock market crash that lasted from January 1973 to December 1974.
  • Cause: An oil embargo by OPEC members, aimed at countries supporting Israel in the Yom Kippur War, quadrupled oil prices.
  • Recession: The price shock contributed to a recession from 1973 to 1975, with high inflation and unemployment.
  • Dow low: The DJIA lost over 45% of its value during the bear market, reaching a low of 577.60 on December 6, 1974. This was the worst bear market since the Great Depression.
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Right now, on this day, my wife and I can and do have 90% of our assets in 4 1/4% FDIC insured accounts.

This is contrary to the investment plan I used for forty years of having 90% in blue chip USA common stocks.

And most of the reason, is ghost of Miss Charlotte reciting about the lesson of the 1929 stock crash that she taught us 55 years ago ——

The Dow Jones Industrial Average increased six-fold from sixty-three in August 1921 to 381 in September 1929. After prices peaked, economist Irving Fisher proclaimed, "stock prices have reached 'what looks like a permanently high plateau. '" The epic boom ended in a cataclysmic bust.


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Every major crop planted on every acre of farm land in the entire nation of the USA will lose from $400 an acre at worst to $100 an acre at best. All of it. Every acre. Every major crop.

Last year our ports handled 3.2 trillion of exports and 4.2 trillion of imports.

How’s that looking?

What was the experience of Smoot Hawley?

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The average sale price for a new home in the U.S. was $487,300 in July 2025, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. This figure represents a slight decrease from the previous month, highlighting recent shifts in the new housing market. It's important to note that this "average" or "mean" price can be influenced by a small number of very expensive homes, which is why the median price (which represents the midpoint of all sales) can provide a different perspective on home affordability and market conditions.

Key Figures for July 2025

  • Average Sale Price: $487,300
  • Median Sale Price: $403,800

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The average new car price in the United States was approximately $48,907 in June 2025, according to Kelley Blue Book. While prices have generally trended upward since 2020, recent data shows them remaining stable with slight month-to-month changes and a significant increase in manufacturer incentives like rebates.


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Wages in Manufacturing in the United States remained unchanged at 28.96 USD/Hour in July. Wages in Manufacturing in the United States averaged 9.44 USD/Hour from 1939 until 2025, reaching an all time high of 28.96 USD/Hour in June of 2025 and a record low of 0.48 USD/Hour in July of 1939.​

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The average income in the U.S. for 2025 varies depending on the source and definition, but generally, a common figure is around $66,000 to $69,000 for a median household income and approximately $53,000 to $69,000 for median individual income. Median weekly earnings for full-time workers were reported at $1,194 in the first quarter of 2025, which is about $62,000 annually.

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My wife had a procedure today that ought to make her back better for about six months and we are itching to travel, to see Yellowstone, and visit where my great grandfather advanced in Company M of the 12th Missouri Cavalry against Indians thicker than fiddlers in hell led by Roman Nose at the Battle of the Powder River on September 8, 1865.

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In his words, Cole ordered the train, "out of the timber and corralled", and the 12th Missouri Volunteer Cavalry "to skirmish through the woods along the river bank to drive out a body of Indians who were posted in the woods". A German immigrant, First Lieutenant Charles H. Springer, of Company B, 12th Missouri Cavalry, said that this took place at about 1:00 p.m. Springer, who was with the 12th Missouri clearing out the woods, described the scene in front of the command: "The whole bottom and hills in advance were covered full of Indians, or to use a soldiers expression, they were thicker than fiddlers in hell". The 12th Missouri, 15th Kansas, 16th Kansas, and one battalion of the 2nd Missouri Light Artillery along with both artillery sections advanced simultaneously toward the warriors.


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Labor Day 1929 was the stock market market high until 1954.

The typical young family you see, has to borrow about six or seven times their household income to build Mama a good nest for her children.

Each new vehicle they buy costs most of a year’s income.

They’d better not be farmers, I’d reckon.:)

Although it’s impossible to predict tomorrow much less a month away, the Fed will start lowering rates soon.

And when they do, much of the 18 or so trillion in household savings and 50 or so trillion held by businesses will pour into stocks and lower rates will mean more half million dollar homes.

Which will be fine and dandy until the next 1929-33 or 2007-9 crash.

What would we pay for next year’s newspaper just before Labor Day, 2026?
 

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sablebrush52

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My other hobby is buying and selling military antiquities. There are a surprising amount of European collectors of US military antiques, and many of these countries have significant import taxes on purchases but are much more lenient/non-existent on gifts. It is very common for overseas buyers to ask me to check "gift" on the shipping declaration with a value under $30.

I suspect that this is how US buyers are going to get around this, simply by committing mail fraud. And I suspect many Europeans will be happy to do so, having relied on US sellers to do the same for them for years.
It may not be that easy. I saw Pipestud's letter today, or was it yesterday, to his clients spelling out that he will be required to declare the contents to be tobacco, based on new international customs regulations. No more "hobby supplies".
 

sablebrush52

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Although it’s impossible to predict tomorrow much less a month away, the Fed will start lowering rates soon.

And when they do, much of the 18 or so trillion in household savings and 50 or so trillion held by businesses will pour into stocks and lower rates will mean more half million dollar homes.
Or, as happened in the 1970's, an era of stagflation will begin. I remember going through that. My first mortgage was 14%. Fun times.
 

CurlingWisps

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Not that this thread directly applies to me, but I recently had an order of baccy sent from the US to the UK. I buy in small quantities and it normally gets away with no import tax - not do now; I got hit with a massive one on the last lot, way more than the worth of the baccy. Customs are edgy here in the UK now and being a lot more rigorous - sad times.
 

Terry Lennox

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According to Gemini:

U.S. Import Duty on Briar Smoking Pipes Varies Based on Production Stage​


The United States import duty on briar smoking pipes hinges on whether the pipes are imported as finished products or as roughly shaped blocks of wood intended for pipe manufacturing. The distinction is critical for determining the Harmonized Tariff Schedule (HTS) classification and the corresponding duty rate.

Finished briar smoking pipes fall under HTS subheading 9614.00.25.00. The import duty for items under this classification is a compound rate of 0.4 cents each plus 3.2% of the ad valorem value of the pipe.


Conversely, for briar wood that has been roughly shaped into blocks for the purpose of pipe manufacturing, the HTS subheading is 9614.00.21.00. These unfinished blocks are duty-free.

This tariff structure is designed to encourage the domestic manufacturing of smoking pipes by levying a duty on finished goods while allowing the raw materials to enter the country without a tariff.

Importers should accurately declare the state of the briar smoking pipes at the time of entry to ensure compliance with U.S. customs regulations and to apply the correct duty rate. The classification is part of Chapter 96 of the Harmonized Tariff Schedule, which covers "Miscellaneous manufactured articles." Specifically, heading 9614 pertains to "Smoking pipes (including pipe bowls) and cigar or cigarette holders, and parts thereof." The subheadings further delineate the product based on material, with wood or root being the relevant category for briar pipes.
 

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According to Gemini:
Then you have to add in the new tariffs...

Excerpt is from Sec 3:

(c) A specific duty shall be assessed on each package containing goods entered for consumption, based on the effective IEEPA tariff rate applicable to the country of origin of the product as follows:

(i) Countries with an effective IEEPA tariff rate of less than 16 percent: $80 per item;

(ii) Countries with an effective IEEPA tariff rate between 16 and 25 percent (inclusive): $160 per item; and

(iii) Countries with an effective IEEPA rate above 25 percent: $200 per item.



 

Briar Lee

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Then you have to add in the new tariffs...

Excerpt is from Sec 3:

(c) A specific duty shall be assessed on each package containing goods entered for consumption, based on the effective IEEPA tariff rate applicable to the country of origin of the product as follows:

(i) Countries with an effective IEEPA tariff rate of less than 16 percent: $80 per item;

(ii) Countries with an effective IEEPA tariff rate between 16 and 25 percent (inclusive): $160 per item; and

(iii) Countries with an effective IEEPA rate above 25 percent: $200 per item.




The de minimus exception for China has been removed for months.

This $65 pipe, with $10 shipping and $5 Missouri taxes will arrive tariff paid on September 5, via an American importer in Lincoln Nebraska. The tariff will be about $20.

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Last year America’s importers channeled 4.2 trillion in imports through customs.

68 billion, about 15%, arrived by the postal services as de minimus, with an average package value of $47.

Nobody will pay $80 to $160 on small orders under $50 average.

All the legal apparatus for the true de minimus shipments will simply end, for the duration of this trade war.
 
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Mike N

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I’ll bet there’s some nice industrial properties for decent prices in Southie😉
I have to wonder if the smartest men in the room at STG are sorry they closed the Sutliff plant in Richmond, VA right about now. It would have been smart to keep a domestic US manufacturer open, it seems. I hope Leonard is still around to chime in…
 

khiddy

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I have to wonder if the smartest men in the room at STG are sorry they closed the Sutliff plant in Richmond, VA right about now. It would have been smart to keep a domestic US manufacturer open, it seems. I hope Leonard is still around to chime in…
This is something I said a few months ago when talk about tariffs started ramping up. That decision is looking dumber and dumber as time goes on.
 
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