Manhunt in Montana

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I just read this...what in the world?? That's like saying the Army didn't pursue the enemy because they were armed.

"Law enforcement officers briefly pursued Brown in that vehicle, but pulled back when they realized he was most likely armed, Knudsen said. Brown was not in the vehicle when law enforcement finally arrived."

There has been a growing cancer in the law enforcement community for about 8 years now.
The "im going home to my family" mentality has got out of control.
Law enforcement is a dangerous career. Imagine a firefighter saying they won't enter a building because they might get burned. Or a crab fisherman say they won't go on a boat because they might drown.
There is an epidemic of police violating peoples rights for "officer saftey".
Our rights dont stop due to their fear....period.
Don't get me wrong, im on the LEOs side. But there absolutely is an epidemic of THEIR safety over OUR safety. It didn't used to be that way.
For those that don't know, one of my side gigs is as an "expert" witness in 2A court cases. My colleagues and I have seen and drastic rise in police involved rights violations, while crime is actually going down.
Recently many law enforcement departments have very loosely interpreted the Terry vs Ohio SCOTUS decision to mean they can "stop and frisk" anyone the wish. The Terry decision allows police to BRIEFLY detain someone and do a LIGHT, over the cloths pat down checking for weapons, and weapons ONLY, when they have PROBABLE CAUSE to believe a crime has been, is being, or is going to be committed.
Too many cases are being dropped due to NO probable cause finding, and drug charges stemming from Terry stops.
Ok, im getting into the weeds again, I'll stop here.

 

[Briarcutter]

Our rights dont stop due to their fear....period.

I agree! To protect and serve, is that just a myth these days? I do agree, police safety is very important but they knew what they signed up for. I just think it would be a shame and unjustifiable if in this case, Brown hurt someone else when the law enforcement had a chance of arrest and then decided it was too dangerous to pull him over. If it was a case of public safety it would be a different story but it doesn't sound like that, it sounds like the officer wanted to be sure he went home. When I joined the military it was relatively peaceful but I knew at any time things could change to life threatening adventures, I surely didn't want that but I knew what I was getting into and accepted that fact.

 

[Briar Lee]

These numbers are very misleading.
They include gang on gang violence, police shootings, and justified self defense.
Banning guns cannot work....period.
The vast majority of guns used in crime are either stolen, or brought in from Mexico.
In fact, just in the last 6 months with stricter border security, the influx of unserialized firearms from Mexico has plummeted. Border agents are finding less, police are finding less, and truckloads have been seized.
The MSM will not tell people that the feared "ghost guns" are NOT being built by lone wolf antisocials in their parents basement. They are coming from Mexico. The amount of people building firearms in their garage are laughabley small. Its like when the MSM talks about the KKK being a huge force of dangerous militias. In fact, there are MAYBE 2000 klan members nationwide. 95% are over 70 and disabled.
The MSM and politicians have people afraid of the millions of "ghost guns" being manufactured in private homes. In fact, home firearm building is sn extremely niche hobby that very few people do. And the ones who are building them, are using high end parts and creating $6000 BBQ guns.
Back on track .......
Did you know that school shooting statistics include closed down schools, parking lots of closed schools, and police shootings on school grounds? Without those, we wouldn't be talking about these incidents.
Again, the VAST majority or mass shootings are gang on gang shootings. That over 600 in 2023 was actually 7, yes, 7 non gang related, police, or justified incidents where 4 or more were shot.
That is a HUGE difference.
And the number that dictates a mass shooting has fluctuated over the years. Obama made it from 6 to 3. His administration eventually went to 4 due to backlash.
They say we have the most MS in the world. Some countries use much higher numbers to constitute a mass shooting. So, a country with only 5 mass shootings may look different when you realize they consider 8 or more shot in an incident as a MS. While if they used the number 4 like us, the number of MS would me much higher.
Anyways, numbers dont always agree. The Rockefeller Center is often used in courts as a reliable source. They say there have been 139 MS in the US from 2000-2023 if my memory serves me right. That is an average of 6 per year. That's a far cry from 600+ often quoted by MSM. The RC does not include gang shootings legal self defense or police shootings like most other sorces do.

The do gooders against the death penalty are winning, and for a very bad and ignoble reason. We are all told we have a fair justice system which is bullshit. The scales are weighted mightily in favor of the government against we the people. There is actually in real life a presumption of guilt.

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Since 1973, at least 200 people sentenced to death in the U.S. have been exonerated due to wrongful convictions, meaning they were proven innocent and taken off death row, according to the Death Penalty Information Center and the Innocence Project. This number represents the individuals who narrowly escaped execution after being wrongly convicted.

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There is no good argument for the execution of the innocent. But the innocent are a tiny fraction of the vile, guilty, despicable murderers convicted. The do gooders use that as a wedge to get us divided.

And once divided, those old Sunday school lessons come back to those of us not raised over a beer joint, about mercy, love, forgiveness, compassion, and how our Master was nailed to the cross and said Father, forgive them, they know not what they do.

Pretty soon we start worrying about the quickness of the lethal cocktail.

A bunch of Catholic priests show up and we feel kind of dirty.

Bye and bye we feel like the one old white man in line to see the Corpse Flower who needs a place to smoke where the decent people can’t see him.

You see, it isn’t Christian not to care about little kids getting slaughtered in a school.

It’s not moral to buy more dangerous toys each time there’s a major school shooting.

And to claim the survivors are crisis actors is blasphemous beyond words.

The dad blasted do gooders are smart enough to require a mass shooting to be

1. In a public setting

2. Four people shot with a gun not including the perp

The do gooders will over long time win, because such things are indefensible.

There is exactly one country song about a serial killer.

Psycho (1974)

And one about a mass shooter

Turn it On, Turn it On, Turn it On

(Tom T Hall)

Most stations refused to play them.

 

[Rockyrepose]

Society has definitely changed, but culture has not. Where I live everyone has firearms, most have many firearms. Absolutely zero crimes committed with guns, zero.
The closer you get to Buffalo (im 90 miles South of Buffalo), the more violence there is.
But it doesn't seem to be due to increased population, its culture.
We are not allowed to talk about it. And you know the old saying, "you cannot solve a problem until you admit there is a problem".
From many court cases I've been involved in, a huge issue is thug culture. Im probably going to get in trouble for this, but its a verifiable fact.....6% of the US population commits 51+% of the violent crime.
If you eliminated the gun death statistics from the 5 US cities with the highest gun deaths, "gun violence" would fall drastically.
People are shocked to learn that the USA is ranked 25th in gun deaths worldwide. Not #1 like the MSM and antis say...again verifiable.
As long as inner city youth think its cool to be strapped, nothing will change. We are told that the inner city gun violence is due to poverty.
Well, why are MUCH more poverty ridden areas in coal country not ravaged by gun crime?
Yes, drugs are out of control in McDowell Co WV, one of the poorest counties in the US, but gun deaths are very low. Same goes for many impoverished counties in the US.
The US does NOT have a gun problem, we have a culture problem.
But again, we CANNOT talk about it.

There are always outliers but the shooting map BL linked earlier looks a lot like a voting map too. Montana is a sister state to mine and there is a ridiculous disparity in guns vs population. Gun ownership is a way of life embraced by the majority in the least populated state. I find immense joy in the sport.

We also have a high rate of suicide by lead that goes with the rugged lifestyle persona, long winters and isolationism. This guy is not well but lucid enough to think about an escape. I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't take that exit and might have already as what he's done sinks in.

 

[Briar Lee]

There has been a growing cancer in the law enforcement community for about 8 years now.
The "im going home to my family" mentality has got out of control.
Law enforcement is a dangerous career. Imagine a firefighter saying they won't enter a building because they might get burned. Or a crab fisherman say they won't go on a boat because they might drown.
There is an epidemic of police violating peoples rights for "officer saftey".
Our rights dont stop due to their fear....period.
Don't get me wrong, im on the LEOs side. But there absolutely is an epidemic of THEIR safety over OUR safety. It didn't used to be that way.
For those that don't know, one of my side gigs is as an "expert" witness in 2A court cases. My colleagues and I have seen and drastic rise in police involved rights violations, while crime is actually going down.
Recently many law enforcement departments have very loosely interpreted the Terry vs Ohio SCOTUS decision to mean they can "stop and frisk" anyone the wish. The Terry decision allows police to BRIEFLY detain someone and do a LIGHT, over the cloths pat down checking for weapons, and weapons ONLY, when they have PROBABLE CAUSE to believe a crime has been, is being, or is going to be committed.
Too many cases are being dropped due to NO probable cause finding, and drug charges stemming from Terry stops.
Ok, im getting into the weeds again, I'll stop here.

With better pay and better training and higher recruitment standards the average police officer has a better home to go to, a better retirement package to expect and a lot less reason to press a stark raving crazy well known local lunatic who thinks he’s Jason Bourne and has blown away four of his friends (including a woman) in the Owl Bar using—-

An AR-15

Uvalde school shooting - Wikipedia

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If we stop, the helicopters will get him, won’t they?

Sounds like a plan, man.

Nobody wants to be in a man hunt, where they are the hunted.

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The city of Uvalde spent 40% of its municipal budget on its police department in the 2019–2020 fiscal year,[26][27] and UCISD, the school district operating Robb Elementary School, had multiple security measures in place at the time of the shooting.[28][29] The Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District Police Department (UCISD PD) had a six-officer police department responsible for security at the district's eight schools.[30] It had also more than doubled its expenditures on security measures in the four years preceding the shooting, and in 2021, it expanded its police force from four officers to six officers.[31] The state of Texas had given UCISD a $69,141 grant to improve security measures as part of a $100 million statewide allocation made after the 2018 Santa Fe High School shooting, in which ten people were slain.[31] The district also had a security staff that patrolled door entrances and parking lots at secondary school campuses.[29] Since 2020, Pedro "Pete" Arredondo had served as UCISD's police chief.[28][29][30]

The school and school district had extensive security measures in place.[31] The school used Social Sentinel, a software service that monitored the social media accounts of students and other Uvalde-affiliated people to identify threats made against students or staff.[31][32] The district's written security plan noted the use of the Raptor Visitor Management System in schools to scan visitor identity documents and check them against watch-lists, as well as the use of two-way radios, fence enclosures around campus, school threat-assessment teams, and a policy of locking the doors of classrooms.[31]

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[Richmond B. Funkenhouser]

I agree! To protect and serve, is that just a myth these days? I do agree, police safety is very important but they knew what they signed up for. I just think it would be a shame and unjustifiable if in this case, Brown hurt someone else when the law enforcement had a chance of arrest and then decided it was too dangerous to pull him over. If it was a case of public safety it would be a different story but it doesn't sound like that, it sounds like the officer wanted to be sure he went home. When I joined the military it was relatively peaceful but I knew at any time things could change to life threatening adventures, I surely didn't want that but I knew what I was getting into and accepted that fact.

Remember what happened in Uvalde?

Those cops stood there using hand sanitizer as that shooting went on.

And prevented the parents from going in to get their children.

One tiny mother ran past the cops and got her baby. What a broad... Everybody needs a mom like that.

 

[Briar Lee]

Remember what happened in Uvalde?

Those cops stood there using hand sanitizer as that shooting went on.

And prevented the parents from going in to get their children.

One tiny mother ran past the cops and got her baby. What a broad... Everybody needs a mom like that.

The gunman in the deadliest school shooting in Texas history bought two AR-style rifles legally just after his 18th birthday — days before his assault on Robb Elementary School in Uvalde.

RELATED STORY​

Texas law enforcement provide some details about Uvalde school shooting, but many questions remain​

UPDATED: MAY 25, 2022
He legally purchased two AR platform rifles from a federally licensed gun store on two days: May 17 — just a day after his birthday — and May 20, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives said, according to a briefing that state Sen. John Whitmire, chair of the Senate Criminal Justice Committee, received from state authorities late Tuesday. The gunman bought 375 rounds of 5.56-caliber ammunition on May 18.

In Texas, you must be at least 18 years old to buy a rifle, and the state does not require a license to openly carry one in public.

The gunman reportedly barricaded himself in a classroom Tuesday afternoon after allegedly shooting and critically wounding his grandmother. He crashed his truck near the school, and once inside, he shot and killed 19 children and two adults and wounded several more.

He brought only one of the rifles with him into the elementary school, one manufactured by the Georgia-based arms manufacturer Daniel Defense, according to the briefing, details of which Whitmire shared with The Texas Tribune. The other was left in the truck he crashed nearby.

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Over 400 armed policemen stood outside of a barricaded door.

I wonder how many grew up on sermons at home, in church , and at school about Captain Thomas Benton Weir at the Little Bighorn?

Thomas Weir (American soldier) - Wikipedia

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Weir first served under General George Armstrong Custer during the American Civil War, and after the war continued serving under Custer's command up to the famous battle in 1876. During the Little Bighorn battle, Weir disobeyed orders to remain in a defensive position at Reno Hill and led a cavalry group that attempted to come to Custer's aid. Weir and the group retreated back to Reno Hill in the face of overwhelming numbers of Native American warriors. A hill on the battlefield, Weir Point, is named in his honor and marks the farthest point of Weir's advance.

Reportedly deeply depressed by his experience in the historic battle, Weir's health declined, and he died only a few months afterwards, aged 38.

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There were over 600 soldiers on Reno Hill and only one soul mounted up and rode towards the sound of the guns.


You cannot train heroes as adults.


Heroes are carefully raised, not born.

Motto of Weir’s college—

non ministrari sed ministrare​

 

[Sig]

With better pay and better training and higher recruitment standards the average police officer has a better home to go to, a better retirement package to expect and a lot less reason to press a stark raving crazy well known local lunatic who thinks he’s Jason Bourne and has blown away four of his friends (including a woman) in the Owl Bar using—-

An AR-15

Uvalde school shooting - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

If we stop, the helicopters will get him, won’t they?

Sounds like a plan, man.

Nobody wants to be in a man hunt, where they are the hunted.

Xxxx

The city of Uvalde spent 40% of its municipal budget on its police department in the 2019–2020 fiscal year,[26][27] and UCISD, the school district operating Robb Elementary School, had multiple security measures in place at the time of the shooting.[28][29] The Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District Police Department (UCISD PD) had a six-officer police department responsible for security at the district's eight schools.[30] It had also more than doubled its expenditures on security measures in the four years preceding the shooting, and in 2021, it expanded its police force from four officers to six officers.[31] The state of Texas had given UCISD a $69,141 grant to improve security measures as part of a $100 million statewide allocation made after the 2018 Santa Fe High School shooting, in which ten people were slain.[31] The district also had a security staff that patrolled door entrances and parking lots at secondary school campuses.[29] Since 2020, Pedro "Pete" Arredondo had served as UCISD's police chief.[28][29][30]

The school and school district had extensive security measures in place.[31] The school used Social Sentinel, a software service that monitored the social media accounts of students and other Uvalde-affiliated people to identify threats made against students or staff.[31][32] The district's written security plan noted the use of the Raptor Visitor Management System in schools to scan visitor identity documents and check them against watch-lists, as well as the use of two-way radios, fence enclosures around campus, school threat-assessment teams, and a policy of locking the doors of classrooms.[31]

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Ohhh, if that were only the case.
A lone guy walking down the street at 3am is approached, searched and arrested for the gram of weed in his pocket. That guy walking broke no laws, but the officer misused the Terry stop because of his ego.
Not all cops do this, but a growing number do.
If you're bored try watching some 1st amendment auditor videos on youtube. The idiots are beyond annoying, but they are shedding a light on law enforcement. Then look how many cops have been arrested, sued, fired, demoted due to their actions with these auditors.
The auditors just walk down sidewalks filming police stations and other government buildings. Their actions have been held up as constitutional by many courts. But the cops detain them, search them and try to trespass them....for filming from public...a constitutionally protected act. Is it insufferable? Yes, but protected.
Or how about cops searching and identifying EVERYONE in a car that was pulled over for speeding? In most jurisdictions only the driver must identify. But more and more cops are violating the passengers rights. They TRY to pass this off as "officer saftey", but the vast majority of cases get dropped. The officers are protected by Qualified Immunity.
There are literally countless videos online showing 100s of departments losing millions in court. But the violating continues.
Or how about a woman who calls the cops because she is being beaten by her boyfriend. The cops arrive to find the boyfriend has left the area. They ask the black eyed woman for her ID, she refuses. They wrestle her to the ground, give open hand "compliance blows" to her head, and eventually drive stun her with their tasers. She was arrested for obstruction. An abused women, who called for help, who was 100% NOT required to identify, was beaten, and shocked into compliance for not identifying.
Ive seen the video, its appalling.
Abusers leaving the scene is a very common thing. Most of the time the cops are very kind and helpful. They ask if she wants an ambulance, ask if she wants to call family or friends....and never ask for ID.
But some cops beat and shock the VICTIMS.
The guys like you're talking about, deserve shoot on sight orders.

 

[FLDRD]

I agree! To protect and serve, is that just a myth these days?

It always was a myth.
It still is.
It was a marketing slogan developed by a marketing agency for the city of LA police department after they lost credibility with the public over a certain event a while back.............
Worked fairly well so has become broadly adopted... as a slogan only.

 

[Briar Lee]

As the manhunt enters the fifth day most every major newspaper in America has assigned a reporter to Montana.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/04/us/montana-manhunt-terrain.html

In many of these cases the quarry assumes a folk hero status and some of the locals begin to sympathize with him.


This guy killed a barmaid. He also killed three other men too, but they might have made fun of him, gave him some cause, but a man who’ll kill a barmaid in his underwear with an AR15 is short of empathetic traits, you know?

Without water he’s already dead and without food he’s very hungry.

If he’s alive he’s likely headed for a solitary cabin somewhere.

If he’s dead they may never find the body.

The real danger is somebody gave him a ride.

 

[Sig]

I agree! To protect and serve, is that just a myth these days? I do agree, police safety is very important but they knew what they signed up for. I just think it would be a shame and unjustifiable if in this case, Brown hurt someone else when the law enforcement had a chance of arrest and then decided it was too dangerous to pull him over. If it was a case of public safety it would be a different story but it doesn't sound like that, it sounds like the officer wanted to be sure he went home. When I joined the military it was relatively peaceful but I knew at any time things could change to life threatening adventures, I surely didn't want that but I knew what I was getting into and accepted that fact.

In fact its quite the opposite.
In at least 2 SCOTUS decisions in the 80s...Warren vs DC, and...um...another later one, maybe 88? The courts decided that police and the government have NO duty to protect the public, unless you are in their custody.
Many times cops have been known to drive right by violent assaults.
After the George Floyd thing this has been the norm in many places. Many LEOs do not want to do life in prison for defending someone.
Here's a story of a case I worked on a few years ago. And off duty cop witnessed a man dragging a woman out of a car. The cop stopped, identified himself and called 911 while holding the aggressor at gun point. The guy lunged for the gun, the cop fired one time, the guy died on the scene.
Long story short.....
Because the cop was working in an official capacity by showing his badge and announcing he was a cop, the lady victim, who was the dead guys wife, sued both the officer and the department. She lost in the officers case, but was granted 2.7 million dollars from the department.
She says her very loving husband was HELPING her out of the car.
The husband had no violent history and his friends and family testified on his behalf. There is no video of the incident, but because there is no duty to protect, that came into play in the civil case. The cop faced no criminal charges.
A cop CAN stand and watch you be beat to death, and be protected by Qualified Immunity. Luckily the number of cops that will do that is pretty low.
This is how cops get away with watching all the violence during the rash of rioting the last few years. They have no duty to help the victims.
And THIS is a big reason our "introduction to concealed carry" classes have exploded in recent years.

 

[Briar Lee]

In fact its quite the opposite.
In at least 2 SCOTUS decisions in the 80s...Warren vs DC, and...um...another later one, maybe 88? The courts decided that police and the government have NO duty to protect the public, unless you are in their custody.
Many times cops have been known to drive right by violent assaults.
After the George Floyd thing this has been the norm in many places. Many LEOs do not want to do life in prison for defending someone.
Here's a story of a case I worked on a few years ago. And off duty cop witnessed a man dragging a woman out of a car. The cop stopped, identified himself and called 911 while holding the aggressor at gun point. The guy lunged for the gun, the cop fired one time, the guy died on the scene.
Long story short.....
Because the cop was working in an official capacity by showing his badge and announcing he was a cop, the lady victim, who was the dead guys wife, sued both the officer and the department. She lost in the officers case, but was granted 2.7 million dollars from the department.
She says her very loving husband was HELPING her out of the car.
The husband had no violent history and his friends and family testified on his behalf. There is no video of the incident, but because there is no duty to protect, that came into play in the civil case. The cop faced no criminal charges.
A cop CAN stand and watch you be beat to death, and be protected by Qualified Immunity. Luckily the number of cops that will do that is pretty low.
This is how cops get away with watching all the violence during the rash of rioting the last few years. They have no duty to help the victims.
And THIS is a big reason our "introduction to concealed carry" classes have exploded in recent years.

Each year the police shoot about 1,800 people and kill a little more than half of those, the overwhelming majorly of whom are armed.

Study of Fatal and Nonfatal Shootings by Police Reveals Racial Disparities, Dispatch Risks | Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health

The analysis, thought to be one of the first published studies that captures both fatal and nonfatal injurious shootings by police nationally, also highlights risks of well-being checks.

publichealth.jhu.edu

Only a handful get prosecuted for shooting. Mostly those unlucky enough to shoot unarmed people on video, or something simply outrageous.


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In 2023, the Fraternal Order of Police reported a record
378 police officers were shot in the line of duty, with 46 of those incidents resulting in fatalities. This data accounts for city, municipal, and other law enforcement agencies across the United States.


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Vests save a whole lot of cops, you know?

What complicates the police shooting decisions today is fifty years ago if the perp had a pistol he was a thug.

Today he might well be an old lawyer with a concealed carry permit—-or not required to have a permit.

Another problem is the overwhelming rise in laws against stuff like dragging your wife out of a car.

There are many more laws to break now.

A few years ago myself and my Amish renter and a couple of neighbors were visiting in front of my milk barn and an older man on a Japanese Harley of some kind came putting down the road and hit some loose gravel on a curve and laid his bike over hard.

We ran towards the scene and a lady driving a van full of Amish stopped and immediately went to his aid. He had a cell phone and she called his wife.

There were lots of emergency vehicles that arrived, including pumper fire trucks from Dunnegan and Humansville, deputy sheriffs, a regular circus.

The guy’s wife showed up.

Finally a Highway Patrolman arrived and he started trying to make a case against the driver, asking us questions, taking measurements of skid marks, and my two neighbors who have never thought fondly of law enforcement started making snide remarks until I asked the officer if we could move the bike to my yard, which he agreed.

Finally a huge ambulance came and hauled the man away to the Bolivar hospital, and his son came to ride the bike away. The old guy was treated and released.

Nobody there tried to comfort or help him except those two women.

I’m sure the police join up to protect and serve, but they aren’t your buddies.

If you’d like to escape that, join the Amish.

 

[Sig]

Each year the police shoot about 1,800 people and kill a little more than half of those, the overwhelming majorly of whom are armed.

Study of Fatal and Nonfatal Shootings by Police Reveals Racial Disparities, Dispatch Risks | Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health

The analysis, thought to be one of the first published studies that captures both fatal and nonfatal injurious shootings by police nationally, also highlights risks of well-being checks.

publichealth.jhu.edu

Only a handful get prosecuted for shooting. Mostly those unlucky enough to shoot unarmed people on video, or something simply outrageous.


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In 2023, the Fraternal Order of Police reported a record
378 police officers were shot in the line of duty, with 46 of those incidents resulting in fatalities. This data accounts for city, municipal, and other law enforcement agencies across the United States.


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Vests save a whole lot of cops, you know?

What complicates the police shooting decisions today is fifty years ago if the perp had a pistol he was a thug.

Today he might well be an old lawyer with a concealed carry permit—-or not required to have a permit.

Another problem is the overwhelming rise in laws against stuff like dragging your wife out of a car.

There are many more laws to break now.

A few years ago myself and my Amish renter and a couple of neighbors were visiting in front of my milk barn and an older man on a Japanese Harley of some kind came putting down the road and hit some loose gravel on a curve and laid his bike over hard.

We ran towards the scene and a lady driving a van full of Amish stopped and immediately went to his aid. He had a cell phone and she called his wife.

There were lots of emergency vehicles that arrived, including pumper fire trucks from Dunnegan and Humansville, deputy sheriffs, a regular circus.

The guy’s wife showed up.

Finally a Highway Patrolman arrived and he started trying to make a case against the driver, asking us questions, taking measurements of skid marks, and my two neighbors who have never thought fondly of law enforcement started making snide remarks until I asked the officer if we could move the bike to my yard, which he agreed.

Finally a huge ambulance came and hauled the man away to the Bolivar hospital, and his son came to ride the bike away. The old guy was treated and released.

Nobody there tried to comfort or help him except those two women.

I’m sure the police join up to protect and serve, but they aren’t your buddies.

If you’d like to escape that, join the Amish.

And those 900 or so justified deaths by cops are added to the anti gunners "gun violence" statistics. As well as suicides, justified citizen self defense and negligent discharge deaths.
So their 32,000 or so deaths they claim a year are actually less than 7000 unjustified gun deaths.
There are 320,000,000 people in this country....do the math.
You are more likely to be killed in a vehicle accident, drowning, slip and fall, or hands and feet.
That's an enlightening fact there.
Im not sure of the current numbers, but look up the number of homicides committed with punches and kicks.
Like Clint Smith from Thunder Ranch says, "there are 130,000,000 law abiding gun owners in the US, who own 1-4 billion firearms....if law abiding gun owners were the problem, you'd know it."

 

[prairiedruid]

Directly southwest of Anaconda is a series of mountains, pretty easy to lose yourself up there. Since he is a local he should know the area and where to find water. Not to mention if he still has access to a weapon plenty of hunting cabins to break into. My grandparents lived at the base of the Mission mountains which is about 100 miles to the north. I spent many summers hiking and fishing in those mountains, if you can avoid bear encounters you can live off the land pretty easily. Plus juneberries and huckleberries are in season......if you can avoid the bears.

 

[Briar Lee]

Directly southwest of Anaconda is a series of mountains, pretty easy to lose yourself up there. Since he is a local he should know the area and where to find water. Not to mention if he still has access to a weapon plenty of hunting cabins to break into. My grandparents lived at the base of the Mission mountains which is about 100 miles to the north. I spent many summers hiking and fishing in those mountains, if you can avoid bear encounters you can live off the land pretty easily. Plus juneberries and huckleberries are in season......if you can avoid the bears.

Helping him, is all the people hunting him know he’s totally batshit.

Think he might be over there, Bob?

You go check Fred, while I cover you.

 

[Sig]

Yeh, we can. And yes, we need to. We can have this conversation, but it gets sticky when some idiots start derailing the conversation with political and racial nonsense. Yes, politics and socially driven issues certainly impact how people are able to discuss it, but it doesn't help when a few fools make it all about that. I think your facts are in order and speak for themselves. We as a society have to ask the question, "what is it about our culture that we are content to let certain groups of citizens remain in a stagnate situation rather than do what it takes to bring the American dream to every town and village?"

There is an inequality in America - and it begins with the lowering of standards and expectations for and within our citizenry. That's my two cents.

This can all be summed up by Joe Bidens quote from the 1970s.
When talking about desegregation and bussing inner city kids to suburban schools.
He said he didn't want his kids growing up in a "racial jungle".
Before and sinse then, one side of the political spectrum has worked hard at keeping certain groups in the cities, poor, and reliant on the government.
This will probably be deleted, but is based on verifiable fact. 90+% of the impoverished inner city vote for one side, the side that keep them poor and dependent.
Luckily people are waking up.

 

[Briar Lee]

There wasn’t anyone but regulars at the Owl Bar.

Wow, the media is working this story!

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Under the buzz of neon lights and cluttered walls and ceilings of The Owl Bar, bartender Cassandra Dutra spends many of her nights catering to the familiar faces crowding her counter, often losing track of the number of rounds the regulars have bought each other as the hours grow late

Dutra lives a stone’s throw from the timeworn neighborhood bar in her small Montana town of Anaconda. She sometimes feels like a cast member in the sitcom “Cheers” – the second home where everybody knows your name.

So after a gunman opened fire inside the bar Friday morning, Dutra quickly realized she knew each of the people killed, including her coworker Nancy Kelley and three of her regulars: Daniel Baillie, David Leach and Tony Palm

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Nearly every inch of the bar’s narrow interior is plastered with glowing beer logo signs, neon strip lights and posters jeering with bawdy bar jokes and wisecracks. A photo from 2022 shows a sign above the bar reading, “Prices subject to change according to customers attitude.” Another: “Don’t like guns? Don’t buy one!”

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Sing one, Johnny Russel !

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Who knows how many black kids shot each other in the ghettos since Friday.

But let four people get slaughtered in a beer joint and the whole world reports about it.

In spite of all the deluge of legal modern weapons since Glocks and ARs replaced Colts and Smiths and Winchesters and Remingtons America’s murder rate has seen a long, steady decline.

Less than 1% of annual gun deaths involve mass shootings.

What has changed, is people have this little knot of fear standing in line to see the Corpse Flower, or attending church, going shopping, or bending an elbow at the corner bar.

I’ll bet the Owl Bar was smoker friendly.

The problem we gun owners have is we defend the right to sell millions and millions of these to anybody with an ID and $529.



It won’t end well for us.

But they’ll get my AR on the first call, gladly, no problems.

I’d sell it, but it would be just my luck somebody would shoot up a school with it and the 4473 on the lower would trace straight back to me.

And you’d have to wonder why anybody would buy my Frankengun when a brand new Ruger is $529?

My wife is sick.

It changes your priorities, you know?

 

[anantaandroscoggin]

One major trouble with all the "gun control" laws, all 20,000-odd of them in this country, is that they do nothing to take the homicidal psychopaths and sociopaths off our streets.

 

[Richmond B. Funkenhouser]

There wasn’t anyone but regulars at the Owl Bar.

Wow, the media is working this story!

——

Under the buzz of neon lights and cluttered walls and ceilings of The Owl Bar, bartender Cassandra Dutra spends many of her nights catering to the familiar faces crowding her counter, often losing track of the number of rounds the regulars have bought each other as the hours grow late

Dutra lives a stone’s throw from the timeworn neighborhood bar in her small Montana town of Anaconda. She sometimes feels like a cast member in the sitcom “Cheers” – the second home where everybody knows your name.

So after a gunman opened fire inside the bar Friday morning, Dutra quickly realized she knew each of the people killed, including her coworker Nancy Kelley and three of her regulars: Daniel Baillie, David Leach and Tony Palm

- - -

Nearly every inch of the bar’s narrow interior is plastered with glowing beer logo signs, neon strip lights and posters jeering with bawdy bar jokes and wisecracks. A photo from 2022 shows a sign above the bar reading, “Prices subject to change according to customers attitude.” Another: “Don’t like guns? Don’t buy one!”

——-

Sing one, Johnny Russel !

——

Who knows how many black kids shot each other in the ghettos since Friday.

But let four people get slaughtered in a beer joint and the whole world reports about it.

In spite of all the deluge of legal modern weapons since Glocks and ARs replaced Colts and Smiths and Winchesters and Remingtons America’s murder rate has seen a long, steady decline.

Less than 1% of annual gun deaths involve mass shootings.

What has changed, is people have this little knot of fear standing in line to see the Corpse Flower, or attending church, going shopping, or bending an elbow at the corner bar.

I’ll bet the Owl Bar was smoker friendly.

The problem we gun owners have is we defend the right to sell millions and millions of these to anybody with an ID and $529.

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It won’t end well for us.

But they’ll get my AR on the first call, gladly, no problems.

I’d sell it, but it would be just my luck somebody would shoot up a school with it and the 4473 on the lower would trace straight back to me.

And you’d have to wonder why anybody would buy my Frankengun when a brand new Ruger is $529?

My wife is sick.

It changes your priorities, you know?

Who should be allowed to buy them?

What's a resonable price?

 

[Briar Lee]

One major trouble with all the "gun control" laws, all 20,000-odd of them in this country, is that they do nothing to take the homicidal psychopaths and sociopaths off our streets.

Not as we do it now.

Every new iPhone costs more than a gun.

It takes a few hours and tons of paperwork to buy an iPhone.

I’m really happy with that. I own one iPhone and my wife has one and my son another one and soooo many guns who’s counting.

And eventually the decent people who look at guns as deadly weapons will wonder why we need all those weapons, you know?

It’s exactly like smoking control.

Eventually we’ll be social pariahs.

We won’t want, our guns as much.

We won’t want the expense, hassle and trouble.

Why the do gooders report only on the 1% of shootings that are mass ahootings is there’s really no defending it.

85% of mass shooters fill out the same 4473 as we do.