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crazyhog

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May 18, 2015
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Hi,

I was just looking through more pipes at SP. I noticed a Rattray Monarch Sandbasted 18 was $5 more expensive for being red instead of black. I've never seen this before. Has anyone ever seen this from any pipe manufacturer? ThanksRattray Red Monarch 18.jpg
 
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sardonicus87

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It could also be the particular color has to be done in more steps than a different color. Reds in particular can be this way because of how close it is to brown... kind of like hair dying actually, if you want a specific color and you have dark hair, you have an extra step of bleaching before dying.

Anyway, here's a guide on staining mahogany for a red look, note how many different stains are needed for the final look, scroll down to the third finish, "burgundy red mahogany":

Of course, the type of wood being stained is also going to affect which colors need extra work or not.
 

elvishrunes

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Jun 19, 2017
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Yes grain is big how much they charge, the best grain is used straight or partially rusticated. Sandblast is second, then rusticated and black stained rusticated worst.

It can also be just different styles fetch different prices. But here’s the rub, you like what you like. I have a Sav 921 brown rusticated which I much prefer to the 921 straight wood grain, looks better on that type of pipe. But the straight grain is worth at least 20 bucks more, not to me😉
 
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OzPiper

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Back in the 70’s I eyeballed 2 pipes - same model/make.
The one with spectacular straight grain was almost twice the price of the other.

Much to my regret for years afterwards I picked the cheaper of the two, thinking it’s going to smoke the same.
For sure, but it didn’t look as pretty

Back then I was new to pipes and didn’t know squat about grain.
 
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Hillcrest

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My guess is that there are fewer red ones therefore more 'rare' therefore more expensive. Generally, it seems to me, that lighter colored pipes cost more than black. We can all guess at the various possibilities for that but it seems to me to be generally true.
 
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Briar Lee

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Think of a stain (or sandblasting or rustication or varnish) on a pipe like make up on a beautful woman.

The better they look without any, the more they cost.

Grace Kelly with no make up 1951

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Elizabeth Taylor 1964

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Evelyn Nesbit 1903

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My wife 2001

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I’ve read somewhere if you marry an ugly woman you’ll be happy all your life.

Maybe they’re right.

But you’d just spend the money you save on a hairy legged boy or something else.
 
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crazyhog

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Think of a stain (or sandblasting or rustication or varnish) on a pipe like make up on a beautful woman.

The better they look without any, the more they cost.

Grace Kelly with no make up 1951

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Elizabeth Taylor 1964

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Evelyn Nesbit 1903

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My wife 2001

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I’ve read somewhere if you marry an ugly woman you’ll be happy all your life.

Maybe they’re right.

But you’d just spend the money you save on a hairy legged boy or something else.
Omg, I just saw a movie with Grace Kelly and James Stewart yesterday, Rear Window (1954). Wow, she was so beautiful 😍.
 
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Briar Lee

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Omg, I just saw a movie with Grace Kelly and James Stewart yesterday, Rear Window (1954). Wow, she was so beautiful 😍.

My mother and her sister and their mother and my father’s three cousins and my four cousins were were all absolutely movie star gorgeous.

They all hated Grace Kelly with a deep, dark, purple passion.

So did my first wife and my present wife.

Strangely enough they all loved Elizabeth Taylor.

Elizabeth Taylor had sort of dumpy looking legs.:)

Grace Kelly was utterly perfect head to toe.
 
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Waning Embers

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Absolutely. Just as I'd pay more for a good sandblasted pipe versus a smooth one. Smooth with no chamber coating just looks like incomplete work. Getting the consistency and application of the coating is nearly an art as staining is.
 
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