What is meant by "Group 3" or "Group 4" etc?

tslex

Lifer

Jun 23, 2011

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Have noticed some writers refer to a pipe as a "group 3 pipe" or a "group 4 pipe" or what have.
From context, this means to have to do with size.
Can someone advise and point me to a reference or standard?
Thanks. (Always seems to be an answer lurking hereabouts.)

 

nemrod

Can't Leave

Apr 28, 2011

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• Aug 23, 2011

• #2

It's the Dunhill size standard, 1-6, higher is larger. I suppose 3 should be pretty average/normal.
edit: lookie what I found: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAuSkYeNIMc

 

hobie1dog

Lifer

Jun 5, 2010

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• Aug 23, 2011

• #3

good ole Youtube

 

menckenite

Part of the Furniture Now

Jun 21, 2010

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• Aug 23, 2011

• #4

This reminded me of the post someone was asking how many bowls per tin (I can’t find the post now). I bet one could get at least twice as many bowls per tin from a group 2 pipe than a group 6. :lol:

 

hobie1dog

Lifer

Jun 5, 2010

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• Aug 23, 2011

• #5

I'm use to seeing that at the Swingers Club :laughat:

 

olderthandirt

Lifer

Jun 26, 2011

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• Aug 23, 2011

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Good question, one I've seen asked several times on several forums.
A question that I have as yet to see an answer that makes any kind of definitive sense!
In the preceding video we are told that a group size "generally" refers to the bowls capacity.

From there our presenter immediately shows examples based on the overall size of the pipe, but neglects to tie the examples to bowl chamber specs.
For myself, I'd really like to see a table or matrix that gave the range of chamber dimensions, as well as overall measurements, that each group represents.
This the answer I've yet to see.
Good question.

 

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thesmokindragon

Lifer

Jul 12, 2011

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• #7

Size of ur....hahaha....pipe!

 

hilojohnny

Lifer

Oct 2, 2010

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Hey nemrod...Thanks for sharing the video...I find it very informative.... :clap:

 

nathaniel

Part of the Furniture Now

Jan 4, 2011

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hmm.. I've wondered that as well. Thanks for the video!

 

unclearthur

Lifer

Mar 9, 2010

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As I don't deal with Dunhill pies enough to make it worthwhile to dig the information out I have never bothered.

 

hauntedmyst

Lifer

Feb 1, 2010

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• Aug 23, 2011

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You arent likely to see a chart since the sizing is a Dunhill company standard and subject to the grading individual at the time of stamping. Actually, a group 4 for would be considered average with group 3's, 4's and 5's being the most common sizes produces. Group 1's and 2's are actually rare give their diminutive size. The vast majority of their collectibles, from what I've seen are group 5's. Once you are familiar it's a nice system and a number of sales sites use it as a reference with other manufacturers.

 

olderthandirt

Lifer

Jun 26, 2011

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Pacific Northwest USA

• Aug 24, 2011

• #12

But how does one become familiar with vagaries for responses rather than specifics?
smokingpipes for an example is the only site I've come across that gives actual dimensions for every pipe. When I see a pipe referenced as a Group whatever, that tells me nothing.
Average chamber size of each group designation is......?

 

unclearthur

Lifer

Mar 9, 2010

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• Aug 24, 2011

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Only group I am familiar with is "The group W bench"

 

olderthandirt

Lifer

Jun 26, 2011

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• Aug 24, 2011

• #14

Father rapers and mother stabbers right there on the bench with me!
Charter Group W member myself Arthur (-;

 

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kitgriffiths

Lurker

Aug 16, 2011

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"... and we wuz smoking cigarettes and all kinds of stuff on the bench there". Presumably that would be pipes?

 

hauntedmyst

Lifer

Feb 1, 2010

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• Aug 24, 2011

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But how does one become familiar with vagaries for responses rather than specifics?

Click to expand...

Simple, it's just a time and exposure thing. Study enough Dunhill's and you become familiar with the roughly standard sizing (and then get to enjoy the irony of the occasional mis-sized pipe). Generally speaking, a group 6 will be about 6+ inches long and 2+ inches high. ODA's are about the same.

 

olderthandirt

Lifer

Jun 26, 2011

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• Aug 24, 2011

• #17

LOL, that's just clear as mud haunted (-;

I do appreciate the effort though, thanks!
Get all that tslex?
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hauntedmyst

Lifer

Feb 1, 2010

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• Aug 24, 2011

• #18

Lol. Welcome to the world of pipe grading! Now go try and figure out Castellos and Upshalls. I think early Upshalls grading was done over shots of whiskey since there seemed to be no rhyme or reason behind it.

 

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12pups

Lifer

Feb 9, 2014

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• Mar 3, 2014

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Late post, for benefit of new searchers, though, I'll post this from a Dunhill retailer site:
SIZES:

The bowls are sorted into 6 groups.
Group 1 Small

Group 2 Medium

Group 3 Medium

Group 4 Medium to Large

Group 5 Large

Group 6 Extra large

 

12pups

Lifer

Feb 9, 2014

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• Mar 3, 2014

• #20

By the way, in previous post and this one, clicking on "Dunhill" takes you to the site being referenced.