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Vintage CJC Pipe - Who Made 'Em?

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  1. klause

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    I glanced at this pipe on FleaBay and passed on by. But, as the evening drew on it kept surfacing in my mind, pushing my other thoughts to one side. However, being stoic, but mainly broke, I continued to ignore it, telling myself it wasn't sleek, elegant, graceful, and absolutely beautiful.

    No! It did not remind me of boat tailed cars of a past era; aeroplanes designed to appeal to the eye as much as for their utility; to early, heady, optimistic, opulent days of adventure, invention, and hedonism.

    No! I could not see this pipe being smoked by a dapper gent as he watched a Zeppelin, or R101, slowly, gently, glide to dock. The powerful engine and exhaust of his car, pinging and clinking as it cooled in the afternoon air after a blast along near empty roads from 'Town' to the airfield.

    No! This pipe did not make me think of long warm evenings in the company of beautiful ladies, on the lawn, croquet mallet in hand, and cool drink inviting indulgence.

    No! Damnit! No! I did not see this pipe held in hand, as a smiling face stepped from a cab in Covent Garden - happy in the company in which he was attending the theatre. A pipe to prepare for an evenings pleasure. A pipe to aid in the contemplation of an evening well spent, and, perhaps, of many more to come.

    The next day these visions solidified in, and distracted, my thoughts.

    I drove home. I walked the dogs. I cooked dinner. I sat down. I put a bid on it. Then I put another on. I walked away. Satisfied. About 15 minutes later I'd put another maximum bid on it - a big'un. I walked away. Satisfied.

    To my horror someone else wanted it and the bids started to build, until finally, all parties exhausted, the auction ended. I paid the £13.03 for the pipe, smiled broadly, and maybe, just maybe, I did a little jig of joy.

    When it arrived at my door, it did so in spotless condition, and ready to smoke. It was/is far more beautiful than I imagined, than the pictures would lead you to believe. I sat, I held it, I looked at it. I put it on the shelf, until the right moment to smoke.

    That was October, 2014.

    So, last week, January 2015, I smoked it, in the greenhouse with some hot black tea. The Toby of choice was Warrior. And, if I am being completely honest, Warrior never tasted so good, or burned so well; it was sweet, in a way I have never experienced before - it tingled my tongue. The pipe was/is staying!

    While I smoked I was drawn, again, to contemplate who made this pipe. After all my searching I'd found nothing about CJC. The band has 3 gothic letters, the middle one of which is 'R', the others I can't make out. There is also a faint "ER" over other initials, the second of which is a "W" or a "V".

    Now, here's the pipe:





    So, after all that, does anyone know anything about CJC pipes? Any info would be greatly appreciated.

    Ars longa, vita brevis.
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  2. lordnoble

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    I can't help you with any info on the pipe but I can certainly comment on the pipe itself. That is a looker. It's probably a good thing that I wasn't surfing the Bay when that came up. I probably would've bumped your total cost a bit more than the £13.03 you paid. Color me green.

    -Jason

    The preceding statement is not to be construed as fact, but merely conjecture.

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  3. misterlowercase

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    Absolutely loved reading the story,
    well done!

    I'm gonna hafta compile all your writings and make me a lil chapbook to thumb thru and relax with while I'm enjoying a nice pipe - I really love the way you can put all of it into words which weave windows in my brain!

    Your ability to conjure a visual flickershow of magnificent images in my head is unmatched.

    Sadly,
    I can be of no help with the pipe, which is most beautiful by the way.

    I did a short search and found nothing at all, also tried GJG just in case, the ER silver stamping was also a dead-end for me.

    If anyone knows, it'd be Jon Guss.

    I did come across an old LMB catalog that had a very similar shape:

    Sorry I couldn't be of more help.

    Thanks for taking the time to write such a great story.

    The refrains of No! was a most excellent touch and also made me smile because I find myself in that same spot sometimes trying to convince myself a certain pipe isn't worth my attention - most often my self-argument fails! LOL

    You should write a book,
    seriously,
    or a collection of short stories.

    Portrait of the Artist as a Young Pipeman
    or something!

    "Words are all we have."

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    Too bad the hallmarks aren't more legible. Are any of them a shield, , anchor, leopard or lion?

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  5. dmcmtk

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    Jason, I've been staring at those hallmarks for the last half hour! I'm going to go out on a limb here, and say Sheffield, 1898. The makers marks look like ER over W, for which...I got nothing.

    Great post, always enjoy your writing.

    Dave
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  6. skaukatt

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    No mention in Who Made that Pipe?, either...

    Horn stem, looks like an orific bit, I bet it's an oldie.

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  7. papipeguy

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    It's a beautiful pipe. The lines look almost Danish to me. Congrats on a great find and enjoy it.

    Blowin' smoke since 1970.
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    A classic zulu/yacht to my eyes, and therefore suspiciously English. Is that a horn stem? Nice looker
    and strikingly well preserved, though clearly showing some wear.

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    My guess would be French,
    with English silver.

    Agree with Dave,
    late 1800's.

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    I love the pipe -- great colors!

    I wonder if the ER isn't what's left of "[SILV]ER"? If you had a straight shot of the hallmarks, someone here could figure it out I would think.

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    Also, if the letters are "Gothic" and hard to make out, it could be a faux hallmark.

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    misterlowercase:

    The name for Shape No. 109 in the LMB catalog page shown in your post above translates to "Horn of Plenty," and seems an appropriate play on words (given both its shape and the stem material) for klause's lovely primiginous pipe.

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  13. klause

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    Thanks for all the nice words, Gents - I really appreciate it. It's nice when an object of beauty like this strikes a cord with others. But, I'm not too surprised, as, when placed amongst others on a shelf, this pipe draws the eye towards it, inviting you to pick it up and admire it's curves - or, simply making you smile, full of the joy of life, as if you had been the recepient of a fleeting glance, or gentle touch, from a beautiful lady - from your Muse.

    Jason, glad you didn't push me to the outer limits on this one - I really wanted it, so was prepared to push the boat out and lay down a massive £21 on it ;-). To be honest, I'm surprised it didn't go for much, much more.

    Troy, cheers, Bro - you humble me - as usual. The page is very interesting. Yep! It looks like that pipe on there - Corne D'Abondance - said with a strong French Accent, and Gallic Shrug of the shoulders!!!! I love it, it suits it, and slips easily from the tongue. Like MSO, I was thinking Yaughtsman, as I believe that was what a Zulu used to be known as in times past, and this is undoubtedly an oldie - one that would not be out of place at a regatta. I liked yaughtsman for a number of reasons, but now, I'm going with the Corne D'Abondance (bottom lip pushed forward in a petulant manner),

    Dave, thanks - I would be over the moon if it were that old - I'll get some better pic's of the band up later once the Dept of War and Finance has stirred. I think a photo in high res may reveal more. I've spent a lot of time looking at these, but my eyes, even with a jewellers loupe, are not up to the job - after about 0.5 of a second it all merges into a blur. If this was an English pipe, as Sam hints at (cheers Sam), I'd be quite happy, but, I'm thinking along Troys lines. As, yes, that is a horn stem, something I associate with French makes. The hallmarks may be faux, as Pitchfork suggests, or, they may be continental - I dunno........bloody silver marks - promise so much, but ultimately lead to frustration.

    Incidentally, MSO, it does indeed have some wear and tear, but, by and large, it's in tip-top condition, especially given its age - bowl internals and rim are perfect. The stem has some minor chew, but nothing too bad. It all polished up nicely (those were sellers pic's) once I got it, and the grain really stands out. There are no flaws or fills - not a single, minute thing. This was a well loved, and very well cared for pipe And, probably not a cheap pipe when first purchased....

    Hunter, you're thoughts coincide with mine. The horn theme extends to the Tenon - it's threaded horn, like old Meer's used to have. And, it's absolutely perfect.

    Well, off to get coffee. Thanks for all the thoughts, gents - I'll get better pics of the band up in a while.

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    Let's also remember, that during the time period (if it is late 19th century), it was not at all unusual to have French made pipes imported to Great Britain and fitted with English Sterling.

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    I do like the cut of that pipe's jib. Simple, yet elegant. You are fortunate to have it.

    The pipe is an instrument of civilization.
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  16. klause

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    Close-ups:

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    Well, seeing those pictures, the first thing I would say is...throw my earlier comment in the trash!

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  18. misterlowercase

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    Wow, those are some odd goth letters, can't make heads or tails of 'em.

    This thread has an similar example of three square odd goths,
    but it has the EP diamond,
    http://pipesmagazine.com/forums/topic/need-pipe-id-algerian-briar-france

    This old example is said to possibly be a Ben Wade Leeds:

    Just the letters, minus place origin stamping.

    I would call it a yaughtsman,
    a horn is more horny
    http://pipedia.org/wiki/Horn

    Whereas the zulu/woodstock/yachtsman (probably other names too!) seems to be a Dublin variant, and although most usually seen with a slightly curved stem, I would think that one with a straight stem still most definitely qualifies.
    http://pipedia.org/wiki/Zulu/Woodstock

    This is an old Jeantet:

    We are just woefully uninformed about so much of the French stuff, which is a shame because in most cases they were directly responsible for what we consider today to be the classic shapes!

    There were just so many varied and diverse makers in St. Claude, and it would require some very serious research to sort them all out, the language barrier also adds to difficulty as much info would be in French.

    Stuff we may have never heard of, yet very well made pipes!


    Here's a couple of French pipe which closely resemble yours:


    PIPE OCCASION ,DROITE A TIGE CONIQUE AVEC UNE BAGUE LARGE DOREE ET UN TUYAU EN CORNE MARBREE CONIQUE

    PUIS APLATI JUSQU'AU BEC- FOURNEAU GENRE CALABASH TRES AVANCE EN AVANT , EN VIEILLE BRUYERE MARRON FONCE

    NERVUREE - SUR LE COTE DE LA TIGE EST MARQUE " B B "ENTRE DEUX FLECHES - SUR LE TUYAU IL N'Y A PAS DE LOGO -

    SUR LE DEVANT DU FOURNEAU"

    It may remain a mystery,
    but it's a damn good mystery ain't it!

    Congrats on the find
    and enjoy it,
    may she serve thee well!

    ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    Sidenote:

    I spent the morning bouncing around a bit, focused on French stuff, and it turned out to be beneficial to me because I'm in the early stages of researching the Dunhill LC shape, whose seminal roots lay in France of course, and I found many examples, so thanks for the prompt and nudge to scour the French region webz.

    I even came across an early AutoSport pipe that was like the old Dunhill windshield pipe!

    But slightly saddened to stumble upon one of my White Whale pipes, already sold for a song, and appearing unsmoked to boot!
    A monoblock allbriar billiard!
    PETITE PIPE DROITE DE St CLAUDE NEUVE FOURNEAU ET TUYAU MONOBLOC



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  19. klause

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    WOW!!

    That monobloc is gorgeous!!! It really is something else.

    I browse the French bay a lot, as there are some lovely pipe related items at great prices. I find the sellers are always happy to do business, and really appreciate the attempt to speak their language - even if it is Googles brutal translation - it's worth the effort. Most of my French briars and Meers are the result of Google translate, and some great conversations.

    Those Yaughtsman examples you listed are really rather nice, especially the first one. I'm looking at an early Racine one just now - it's the typical low end briar, with some huge fills, but lashings of character - severely tempted - I'm liking the shape more and more.

    I appreciate the effort you made on my pipe, Troy, but ultimately knowing the date and maker is not essential - it would be nice - but, not knowing does not diminish the pipe in my eyes. It's enigmatic. Maybe leaving the story to the imagination, and quality of the smoke is the best thing to do - it works for me.

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  20. pitchfork

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    Klause, those look like faux hallmarks to me. Which isn't to say it isn't silver on the band -- it certainly looks it. But it suggests French or American manufacture. French would be my guess. But you see very similar "hallmarks" on some early WDC and CPF pipes. Also on electroplate, which this could be.

    Doesn't matter. It's a gorgeous pipe from the golden age in fantastic condition. I'm just happy to see the pictures of it -- the colors are unusual and striking.

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  21. klause

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    Thanks, Pitchfork, it certainly is a beautiful pipe.

    I'm going with the Faux Hallmarks, and leaning towards French. I've a few older French pipes with the faux jobbies, and a few have the EP in a diamond.

    Well, it's all conjecture at this point, so I'll let the smoke satisfy me, and occasionally ponder the 'what ifs' - it smokes as well as it looks

    Posted 4 years ago #

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