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  1. fnord

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    Would somebody please take me to school on dating Dunhill tins?

    Thanks,

    Fnord

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    Posted 6 years ago #
  2. protestantpiper

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    Me too! Do tell!

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    Posted 6 years ago #
  3. kashmir

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    For a moment I thought I read "Twin Dating". Alas, it was only tin dating.

    These links may be of interest to you:

    From the late John C. Loring pages:

    Dating English Tin Tobacco:

    http://loringpage.com/PipeArticles/tobdatepaper.html

    Old Dunhill Tin Tobacco:

    http://www.loringpage.com/attpipes/duntobac.htm

    Dunhill Tobacco Blends - 1910 to 1990:

    http://loringpage.com/pipearticles/duntob2chart.htm

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  4. fnord

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    I do appreciate your fine effort, Kashmir, but I was hoping for something more recent, as in the last ten years or so to present.

    Do they have a matrix like Escudo or the McClelland Company?

    Fnord

    Posted 6 years ago #
  5. cigrmaster

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    The numbers on the Dunhill tins do not represent a date unfortunately so there is no way to date them.

    Harris
    Posted 6 years ago #
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    The Orlik Dunhill tins have the raised lid bottom and the big round white sticker that says Made in the EU. These began appearing on all tins in 2006. The painted label tins were all used up at some point in 2008, so any paper label tins of Dunhill blends with the script Dunhill name were produced 2008 or later. Hope this helps on helping date the newer stuff.

    Pipestud

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    Posted 6 years ago #
  7. fnord

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    Harris and Pipestud:

    This is not what I wanted to hear.

    One of the premier pipe tobacco companies in the world should have an orderly system of tracking their inventory.

    I'm certainly not holding either of you to blame, but I will ask you both to fall on your swords for bearing the bad news.

    Fnord

    P.S. Missed you in KC this year, Pipestud. You were a real mensch when we met last year and I'll never forget that.
    F.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  8. arno665

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    I think I can be of assistance. Orlik made the later Dunhill tins as Pipestud says. And Orlik has a dating system.
    For example I take one of my Dunhill Deluxe Navy Rolls tins. On the back besides the barcode you see a 10-digit code and a 4-digit code.
    With my tin this is: 1108033001 3870.
    - 11 = Year of packing
    - 08 = Calender day of production. That means the 8th day of the month.
    - 03 = Month of packing.
    What the rest of the digits mean, no idea.. The 4 digit number is an internal batch number I guess. But this tin comes from March 8th 2011.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  9. protestantpiper

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    Would pipestud also be your ebay handle? Just asking.

    Posted 6 years ago #
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    I'm certainly not holding either of you to blame, but I will ask you both to fall on your swords for bearing the bad news.

    Fnord

    P.S. Missed you in KC this year, Pipestud. You were a real mensch when we met last year and I'll never forget that.
    F.

    Fnord - Per your request, I did fall forward and tried to land on my sword, but my aim was bad and I missed myself. Sorry. - And yes sir, I enjoyed meeting you at last year's KC Show and am sorry I had to miss this one. I'll be back next year and hope we connect.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  11. pipestud

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    Would pipestud also be your ebay handle? Just asking.

    Howdy protestantpiper - Yes sir, that would be me. 11 years ago when I started selling pipes on consignment on eBay I told my wife that I was going to call myself Pipestud... She smiled and said, "That's great honey. Maybe you'll finally be a stud at something."

    Pipestud

    Posted 6 years ago #
  12. arno665

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    Posted 6 years ago #
  13. murf

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    If that's true, I just went to my local B&M and got DF from 10/10/2010 and RY from 3/17/2011

    Posted 5 years ago #
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    Looking at the back of a tin of Elizabethan and one of Royal Yacht, they both say 61 as the first digit. They were not packed in 1961.

    Posted 5 years ago #
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    Foggy, you made the same mistake I did. Don't look at the numbers under the UPC. Look at the numbers to the left of the UPC

    Posted 5 years ago #
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    I'm bumping this thread since I've got a question about a Dunhill tin that doesn't correspond with the answers given above.

    Just bought a tin of Dunhill Elizabethan from a shop in Basel, Switzerland.

    Foggy, you made the same mistake I did. Don't look at the numbers under the UPC. Look at the numbers to the left of the UPC

    Problem is, there are no numbers to the left of the UPC on this tin; there are numbers to the right:

    5211

    CB023L97

    That's it--anyone want to venture a guess? I would love to think it was made in 2011--that's four years of cellaring!! But based on Arno's description above neither number makes any sense. And, wasn't Elizabethan reintroduced after 2011?

    On the bottom it reads "Pfeifentabak Hergestellt in Daenmark" and Wellauer AG; I know Wellauer is a popular Swiss tobacco and I'm guessing this stuff was tinned in Denmark. But if it was tinned by Orlik wouldn't it read STG?

    Again, any help on this would be appreciated--and very interesting to boot!!

    Posted 4 years ago #
  17. mso489

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    I wonder if tobacco companies could enhance sales by giving "vintage" dates as wine makers do. This would help people who like to age tins. Luciano and some artisan pipe makers put a full year date on their pipes, and I think this is an excellent precedent, rather than having to decode numbers or guess. It improves the lore and value of pipes at all price levels, I believe.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  18. pipefish

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    Agreed, Mso--it would be great if more companies were clearer about their packing dates. I bought a tin of MB Scottish Mixture two weeks ago. According to the label this tin was packed in August, 2007; so, unbeknownst to me (or the B&M obviously) I got a tin with seven years of aging on it!

    Posted 4 years ago #
  19. stanlaurel

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    I just read this from smoking pipes. I'm happy to be able to date Dunhill now.

    Posted 4 years ago #
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    Thanks stanlaurel


    CB - The manufacturer: Scandinavian Tobacco in Assens/Denmark.

    31 - The machine on which it was produced.

    2 - The year of production starting with 2010 (2012).

    C - The month of production in descending order A-L (March).

    8 - The day of production within that month (March 8th).

    Posted 4 years ago #
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    Reviving an old thread:
    I've been buying a lot of Dunhill MM965 and checking the dates on tins, per the example above. We have 12 months year, which would give the month of December the letter "L". I've purchased a number of tins lately that have the "P" letter beside the year, if you believe the reference chart posted above. Has anyone else noticed this or can explain it? This is what I purchased today:

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    Posted 2 years ago #
  22. prairiedruid

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    Maybe it's an F instead of P.

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    Perhaps, I'll have to check the rest, some are more prominent.

    Posted 2 years ago #
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    Interesting thread! Just happened to have two Dunhill tins in my backpack and it was good to be able to date them! I never knew that it was possible with Dunhill! That's why I love forums man! Can't beat this kind of collective knowledge.

    Posted 2 years ago #
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    I am not sure if the Dunhill dating method is correct. All my Dunhill tins (Bought at my local B&M / smokingpipes.com has 02 as the year (And I bought all of them this month.)

    Also, My Nightcap says CB022K01 - How can 0 be a date? Also, how do you represent 11th till 31st?

    Posted 2 years ago #
  26. ssjones

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    I just opened a tin that I bought in 2013. It is stamped as made in the EU and it does not have that coding. (just a six and four digit stamp,all numbers)

    Posted 2 years ago #
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    Also, My Nightcap says CB022K01 - How can 0 be a date? Also, how do you represent 11th till 31st?

    CB = Factory
    02 = The machine it was produced on
    2 = The year. In this case 2012
    K = The month, which is November
    0 = Day
    1 = Shift

    I don't know how they count their days to be honest. Don't know why there is a 0 there but you can be sure that it's from 2012. It wouldn't surprise me at all if you got a tin that old from them. It's happened to me before. Do you realize how many thousands of tins they keep on stock at SP? THOUSANDS!

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  28. cshubhra

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    Thank you!


    t wouldn't surprise me at all if you got a tin that old from them. It's happened to me before.

    Posted 2 years ago #
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    I bought 15 tins of MM965 from SmokingPipes.com and they are all have 2012 date coding (December)

    Posted 2 years ago #
  30. rcanderson

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    If that new date coding is correct, in the batch I just receive I have some that are already almost 5 years old along with some that haven't been made yet, lol.

    Posted 2 years ago #
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    Just going to leave my hat here to check back later

    Posted 1 year ago #
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    This doesn't work on my Royal Yacht. The #'s are different plus from the EU.

    Posted 1 year ago #
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    Scrooge its almost like you have dozens and dozens of Dunhill tins that you need to assign dates too

    Posted 1 year ago #
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    Scrooge, according to the dating system that Arno has provided, your tin was manufactured on April 7, 2011.

    Javan
    Posted 1 year ago #
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    Great information here. Love this place!

    Posted 1 year ago #

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