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  1. loseth

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    Is this stuff extinct? I've seen posts of people mentioning it or smoking it but I have never seen it on any sights, I don't think I've seen a nicer looking tin of tobacco though. Is it true that it is no longer being made?

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    The original blend of Three Nuns pipe tobacco is no longer being made.

    The current Three Nuns is not sold on this side of the pond, but is available in Europe.

    Mr. Snuff can get you a 50 gram pouch of the current blend for $25, plus shipping: https://mistersnuff.com/catalog/three-nuns-none-nicer-p-2729.html?osCsid=bf8611f20c6a7cdbcf29c949962cfcf5

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    In your opinion, is the current blend worth the $25?

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    No. IMO, it's not worth half that. YMMV.

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    The current blend is nothing like the original. The original was a Perique laden glorious blend that was in some peoples minds the quintessential Virginia/Perique tobacco. I recently finished my second to last tin and it was incredible with 11 years of age on it. The tobacco starts out quite blond in color, but turns jet black over the years. It is a shame they no longer make it in it's previous form and I am still kicking myself for not loading up on it years ago. The older tins fetch up to 100.00 on ebay when it is on there. I don't chase these older tins because to me, no tobacco is worth that kind of dough, but too many people it is worth it.

    Harris
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    A seller on EBay DHGabe has some Three Nuns for sale.

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    I have a feeling some of that stuff is newer production and not the old one with Perique.

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    It is important to know the difference and be sure what you're buying is legit -- especially since the original blend sealed tins go for $50 to more than $100 each.

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    I have read that Villigers Cocktail Hour blend is pretty close, or at least as close as a replica can get. Russ Oulette rants and raves about it so it can't be all bad. I think this would make an interesting topic for a Cocktail Hour vs. Three Nuns throwdown if I could ever get my hands on some of the original stuff.

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    I just looked up Cocktail hour and there is no mention of Perique anywhere in the description. Neither at smokingpipes in their tin description or at Tobacco Reviews. People are comparing it to the new TN with no perique because of the way it is curly cut.

    The only blend that is curly cut and has Perique like TN is Wessex Sovereign Curly Cut. I tried it hoping it could be a replacement for TN but the perique in it is too little and it does not have the strength, peppery component or flavor of TN. It is not a bad blend at all but it ain't no TN.

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    If it ain't broke, why do they mess with it?

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    Three Nuns has been a fantasy of mine since I was in Catholic School.

    Earth: The Insane Asylum of the Universe. Nowhere else could things be more messed up.

    Does a culture based on separation and competition, of scientific sophistication and mideval religion, offer happiness even as it ravishes the Earth that sustains it?
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    I see some of the old stuff on ebay once in a while.I have never tried to get some though.It does sound interesting.

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    @hobie LOL

    Russel is always making new flavors and P&C says they will specail blend something if you ask for it, I'm sure they can blend you a clone for a reasonable price.

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    Don't want to hijack the thread, but along those lines I've read and been told that the Peter Heinrich Special Curly tastes like Three Nuns. Course I've also read that it's nothing like it. Any thoughts on that? And if so is it akin to the older Nuns or the current Nuns?

    I've smoked the Special Curly but have nothing "Nun-wise" to compare it to.

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    jah, the Heinrichs is nothing like TN. It has no Perique, just like the current version of TN. I have not smoked the current version of TN( and never will) to compare to the Heinrich, but it could be similar.

    sothron, that is the million dollar question, it was a great blend, people were buying all they could, it makes no sense for them to ruin it but they have. I would be willing to bet the company has received tons of letters over the years begging them to make it the right way again. The only thing I can think of is that they lost their source for Periique.

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    If I am not mistaken the current incarnation of Three Nuns contains Kentucky instead.

    It is also safe to say that the Virginias used are probably vastly different than the vintage stock.

    From the reviews I've read and the testimonies given here, I think it is safe to say that there are better tobaccos to pick up if you are visiting Europe.

    Regarding eBay, as always, caveat emptor...

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    No, the Virginias used are the same as in the old blend. It's the perique that's missing, subbed by Kentucky. I'm just glad I have a stash of the old stuff. I've been smoking the current tinned version and it's good. But it's not magical as the perique version. And vastly overpriced now.

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    jiminks, the new version comes in the same tins as the older Perique version right? I wonder how many of those tins on Ebay are the newer version and are being passed off as the old one.

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    Cigrmaster: Yes, the tins are identical and there's no way to tell the difference without opening the tin up. I wouldn't buy one off eBay because you wouldn't know what you're really buying until you pop the top.

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    In that case I would never spring for one because people in the know will be taking advantage of the identification difficulties.

    Unless you found a bunch of Three Nuns at an estate sale or a trusted vendor, it'd be pretty hard to be confident about the purchase.

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    I wonder if the new version was changed because Perique is more expensive or hard to get?

    According to this document, Three Nuns contained 22% perique!!!
    http://legacy.library.ucsf.edu/tid/evl27a99/pdf;jsessionid=396744EDC09E30C8365CA3424AB646BB.tobacco03

    ...that's alot of perique!

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    I looked at that document....gives the casing recipe, but I have no clue what those items they're talking about are, maybe code of some kind to keep the recipe from falling into the hands of competition....anyway, point is that the recipe is right there, can't imagine it would be that difficult to duplicate, I wonder why someone hasn't.

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    I suppose someone could blend this, if they know WTH those ingredients are and Whatever "1/3 manufactured Perique" is when it's put in and blended with the rest of the (real) Perique.

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    The manufactured perique might be the same green river burly pressed into "perique" we see today in many blends. May have used it to save the cost of the end product and still be able to claim it was made with "St. James Parish Perique"...

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    Sounds logical, Mike. I remember reading about puffers complaining about that "Perique cheat" -- add a pinch of real Perique to validate "it's in there" on the label, then crank it up with Green River. There you go, Perique freaks.

    I think with patience, one can make their own blend using their choice of fine Virginias and as much real Perique as they want. Jar it for 5 years, and presto -- the real deal and as good as it gets.

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    I think with patience, one can make their own blend using their choice of fine Virginias and as much real Perique as they want. Jar it for 5 years, and presto -- the real deal and as good as it gets.

    I've been doing this myself and actually ended up with a pretty nice smoke, though I think it would be a bit much for most (50% perique). My eventual plan is to get some whole leaf bright VA, some perique, and rig up some contraption to make a rope out of it, though I do know how to do shorter pieces by hand. My problem is going to be getting perique in leaf form, rather than ribbon cut. And since I have no idea what to do for a casing, I'm going to try some without any, and some with sugarwater and see what I end up with.

    I have no intention of jarring it for 5 years before trying it, though I think a month or so in a rope should be enough time to tell whether I'll have something worth smoking or not. After that, I can age it as long as I feel necessary.

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    I was digging around the legacy library for quite a while trying to discover the secret of St. Bruno and what the hell it was they case it with, you can get lost searching around there because interesting stuff pops up all over, mostly from the BAT archives but they have some Gallaher documents too, the big American companies are mostly cigarette subjects, but I've seen stuff about PA, Granger, SRW etc.

    The maze of code names can be cracked though with some diligent cross referencing etc, what they use for St. Bruno was called BONBAC and the shit looks pretty complex:
    http://legacy.library.ucsf.edu/action/document/page?tid=pzk84a99
    ...the casing was also known as BRUNSAN, after the initial stock supply from Ogden's was exhausted, Imperial started making it in-house and they changed the codename.

    I love that St. Bruno flavor and if I could mix up some of its casing, I'd be misting alotta leaf from the spray-bottle!

    Here is a huge document covering the whole shootin' match!!!:

    ...and this is interesting too, a scientific survey of a few different pipe tobaccos,
    3Nuns had a high sugar %
    http://legacy.library.ucsf.edu/action/document/page?tid=fij43a99&page=6

    All in all, the LTDLibrary is a good look in the guts of what's what.

    3Nuns has a lot of entries:
    http://legacy.library.ucsf.edu/action/search/basic?fd=0&q=%22three+nuns%22&df=er&c=ba&c=ga

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    What about this one,

    "Project Convent"

    ...and a customer complaint about 3Nuns Orlik version saying it's "deeply inferior to the real thing" circa 1995
    http://legacy.library.ucsf.edu/action/document/page?tid=llj73a99&page=2

    Also found the casing codename for 3Nuns,
    they called it PEROCO, which appears to
    be some form of anise, and the perique
    itself was cased with rum, if I'm reading
    this stuff correctly?

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    I did a "tobacco casing" search and was surprised to find that the casing recipe for Pall Mall cigarettes used cocoa, licorice, molasses, fruit syrups...

    I can see some expensive experiments in the future, I rather wish I hadn't seen that database at all.

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    Hey Mike!

    What about a St. Bruno experiment?

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    I don't know anything about St. Bruno, buddy, have no idea what it was (is?) or should be. I'm only doing a VaPer project because they're relatively simple, I know the basics of how it's done, and of course I love a good VaPer but want more perique in it and this way I can get what I want. Also because I enjoy learning new things and conquering shit

    Tell me about St. Bruno

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    They used to sell it over here, but now you can't get it. it's a dark Va flake with a distinct casing, it would fall on the more "soapy" side of Lakeland flavor I guess, but there's nothing really like it. it's my personal belief that Stonehaven is a great-grandson of St. Bruno because the flavor profiles are very similar, St. Bruno was first made in 1896. It's one of those love/hate blends and it's distinctly British.

    I ain't complaining too much tho, because we here in the USA have such a vast array of top-shelf stuff easily available, and it ain't a case of "the grass is greener on the other side", it's just the way it tastes and the way it smokes, like a dark creaminess that lingers.

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    Sounds sort of like my Charatan's English mixture...first they stopped importing it to the US, then they just stopped producing it completely. I'm pretty sure that if I'd opened the tin and it made me nauseous, they'd still be making it and selling it for $3 a tin, 2 for a fiver, free shipping world-wide. But historically, if I like something too much, it either skyrockets in price (check the price of a '70 dodge challenger, or just a frigging pound of bacon) or they just decide to stop making it for no reason at all.

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    man, the Mopar stuff has gone thru the friggin' roof!

    I've always wanted one of those wild old A100 pickups.

    What about the SRT8?
    I wouldn't mind taking a ride with three nuns in this thing!

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    They're pretty cars in their own way, but I like the older stuff. I owned a few challengers when I was younger, sold 'em because I spent most of my time overseas and had no time to do what I wanted with 'em, and always figured "I'll pick up another one in a few years when I'm stateside more"...well, I guess the joke was on me. Last one I sold to a buddy of mine at the time, it was a 70, 440 4 speed. Let him have it for $1200. I cry myself to sleep over that car sometimes.

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    I cry myself to sleep over a '64 Plymouth Fury.

    Wish I could drive it now.

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    jah, the Heinrichs is nothing like TN. It has no Perique,

    Harris, where did you come up with this? There's a load of perique in Heinrich's Curly.

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    JP, someone told me that the heinrichs tasted nothing like TN. I for some reason thought it meant it had no Perique but when I looked it up, perique is definitely listed. My bad. Have you smoked any TN from the old days recently and if so do you think the heinrichs tastes like it? I cracked my second to last tin of TN dated 2001 in August of this year and it was a Perique bomb.

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    Harris, I don't trust my taste buds enough to be one of these that says "it tastes just like it", but I will say that, to the best of my sorry, old, latakia scorched tongue, it gives the same vibe. Keep in mind, I've never smoked aged 3N, I'm sure the perique would be more of a presence that in a green tin. But, fresh for fresh, I think curly is damned close.

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    JP, does the Heinrich have a Perique flavor that is in your face and quite strong, I am talking stronger than Escudo. Fresh TN is very peppery with Perique flavor that does get stronger with age. The guy who told me about Heinrichs is someone whose tastes I trust, plus I sent him some of the last of the tin of TN from 01 I was smoking so he could compare it to that Wessex Sovereign. I was praying that the Sovereign would be a replacement but alas no go.

    When I buy some Heinrichs and I don't like it, I am hunting you down, remember, I know where you live and I have matches.

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    After you hunt him down, you can send me the Heinrichs

    I really like it, but I wouldn't call it a perique bomb by any means. I'd say it's on a level with Escudo in terms of perique, which to me is pretty subtle in Escudo. The Heinrich's has this nutty/leathery scent or taste about it that seems somewhat common among other curly cuts, like GH Curly Cut Deluxe.

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    When I buy some Heinrichs and I don't like it, I am hunting you down, remember, I know where you live and I have matches.

    Geez, that reminds me of a girl I dated (fled) when I was a young man in the military...her saying was "Remember, I'm a clinically diagnosed sociopath with obsessive/compulsive tendencies and I know where you live".....always thought she was joking, until I tried to break up with her.

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    Ok, I just ordered a 200 gram tin of the Heinrichs, of course I had to get the free shipping so I grabbed 5 tins of the Wessex Gold Virginia Flake to add to the cellar and 5 packages of the Corona flints. I keep forgetting to order the flints and have been relegated to using the Zippo flints I get at my local b/m. Believe it or not the Corona flints are superior to the Zippo.

    So if my new Heinrichs is not exactly like the TN of old, you know what happens JP....woooosssshhhhh. lol

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    Mike, I was also diagnosed with the OCD but they tagged me as a psychopath not sociopath along with it, I think that is better don't you. heheheh

    Items Ordered
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    Curly Special 200g (#003-048-0001): 1
    Item Total: $33.59

    Corona Lighter Flints (5 pack with Brush) (#001-068-0102): 5
    Item Total: $15.50

    Gold Virginia Flake 50g (#003-068-0010): 5
    Item Total: $52.86

    ====================

    Subtotal: $101.95
    Shipping (Ground): $0.00
    Total: $101.95

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    Sure, psychopaths might still torture and kill ya, but they'll feel at least a little bad about it...makes all the difference in the world

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    lolol, there is a huge difference I agree.

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    A while back, someone on this forum posted the recipe for the Vaper Three Nuns, which included the kinds of tobaccos used. I'd really like to see that again if anyone has the info handy.

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    Jim,
    was this the one?
    http://pipesmagazine.com/forums/topic/a-real-three-nuns-substitute

    ...and how about this ad from 1908?

    "Kindly assure me that you will not allow success to spoil the quality of a fine tobacco;
    so many mixtures have followed the easy road to ruin."

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    misterlowercase: somewhere this site, somebody had typed out the percentages of, and the kinds of tobaccos used as well as the topping information. That's what I'm trying to find.

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    Jim I believe this is the thread of which you speak - and thank you for the great reviews!

    http://pipesmagazine.com/forums/topic/a-real-three-nuns-substitute

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    Sorry Jim (and Troy)! Try this one
    http://pipesmagazine.com/forums/topic/three-nuns-no-perique-why-not-add-it

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    Thanks, the dudeabides. I'll read through them and see if those links have the info I'm looking for.

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    I have the code words if you need them. Bicara= Acacia Gum, Celando= Glycerin, etc
    This is a project I started about a year ago but just never got around to blending it.

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    I thought somewhere on a thread was the actual tobacco breakdown for Three Nuns, including the percentages and names of what tobaccos were used in the VaPer Three Nuns, but wasn't able to find it in the links Misterlowercase provided. Anybody else recall that particular list?

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    Get some first rate Virginia bulk tobacco and some blending Perique and see what you can mix at home.
    I say mix because you may not want to put it under pressure and age it. I leave that the the pros. I suspect
    if you experimented with a few different proportions, you would not get the classic Three Nuns experience,
    but you'd be so pleased and satisfied with your custom mix along those lines, you'd be content in this
    area for years. Three Women of a Devoted Religious Persuasion you could call it.

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    MSO489: I'd want more than that. I know there's some red Va. and Brazilian lights (whatever that really is) along with the perique. There's may have been some Malawi in it, too.

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    Jim this is the most detailed posting I have ever seen on the topic - originally posted by hfearly and included in the second link I provided.

    My apologies for any redundancy here but I have never seen a further breakdown on the tobacco varietals beyond this description (such as where the bright Virginias originate).

    Also, a quick question for you - do you think the topping/casing used today is the same (or similar) as the original?

    1lb Three Nuns (Pre WW2-1971 recipe)
    ----------------------------
    P1 15% Imported Perique (Louisiana)
    P2 7% Manufactured Perique
    P3 31% Filler (Burley)
    P4 47% Wrapper (Bright Virginias)

    Casing (F14) for the Production of Manufactured Perique P2
    (23.5 lbs casing to 100 lbs of dry strips ob tobacco)
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    1.5 lbs BICARA (Rep Ref. 13A)
    7.0 lbs MOLON (Rep Ref. 1A)
    10.0 lbs CELANDO (Rep Ref. 5A)
    5.0 lbs Water

    Casing (M4) for the Treatment of Filler P3
    (5.25 lbs casing to 100 lbs of dry strips of tobacco)
    ------------------------------------------------------
    4.0 ozs CELANDO (Rep Ref. 5A)
    5.0 lbs Water

    Flavoring (215) for the Treatment of Imported Perique P1
    (1.0 lbs of flvaoring per 100 lbs of wet tobacco leaf weight)
    ------------------------------------------------------
    1.0 lbs BUTITE (U108)

    Flavoring (208) for the Treatment of Manufactured Perique P2 and Filler P3
    (5.25 floz per 100 lbs of whole blend)
    ------------------------------------------------------
    0.25 floz of HALTRONER (Rep Ref. B3.1)
    0.25 pint of BUTITE (U108)

    50% of Flavoring 208 applied to Filler
    50% of Flavoring 208 applied to Manufactured Perique

    NOTE: Wrapper P4 leaves are unflavored

    Decoding of Ingredients
    ------------------------------------------------------
    1A "MOLON" = Reducing Sugars, Good quality invert sugar
    5A "CELANDO" = Humectants, Glycerine
    13A "BICARA" = Biding Agents, Gum arabic
    B3.1 "HALTRONER" = Spices, Aniseed, Anethole
    U108 "BUTITE" = Flavors, Demerara Rum, 40o O.P.

    Manufacturing Notes
    ------------------------------------------------------
    The Perique is imported in strip form in a manufactured state, having already
    been processed in North America, where it's grown. All that has to be done is
    to open up and separate the strips and to apply flavour by "spray in bed" form.
    For this, the leaf is taken from the trollies and spread in layers in a bed on
    a tiled floor. A previously measured amount of spray and water is sprayed on
    each layer as the bed is made up layer by layer. This ensures even flavoring
    throughout the bed. The flavored leaf is then picked up from the bed into
    trollies that are covered with a stout canvas sheet and allowed to rest for at
    least 24 hours. This allows the flavoring and moisture to permeate and even out
    throughout the trolley contents (process known as "bulking"). The flavoured
    Perique strips are then picked up into trollies and held until the filler and
    wrapper portions are ready.

    The filler grades are taken and by being passed through a conditioning machine
    are pliable and capable of being handled so that all stems can be removed. After
    stem removal, the filler strips are again passed through a conditioning machine
    that gently warms them and makes them receptive to the flavour, which is applied
    by sprays in a rotating cylinder through which the warmed strips are passed. The
    flavored filler strips are discharged into trollies and bulked for 43 hours.

    The wrapper leaf is selected by size of leaf, brightness of appearance, freedom
    form blemishes, tears and breaks. The especially selected leaves are then
    passed through a rotating cylinder fitter with water sprays and brought into a
    suitable condition for stemming, which is done very thoroughly by hand. It is
    then placed into trollies to await the amalgamation process where the wrapper
    is combined with the Perique and the filler mix in a spinning process.

    The spinner takes strips of Perique and rolls them into a very tight roll or
    "string", keeping the diameter continuous by adding more Perique strips as
    needed, as long as the rolling continues. The central core "string" is wrapped
    with the filler strips and then wrapper in the wrapper leaves. The leading end
    of the roll is then fed into a set of motor driven rollers which reduce the
    hand rolled spun down to 7/16s of an inch in diameter, and at the same time
    causing the tobacco to roll to turn on its axis and pass into the machine. This
    turning and traversing action facilitates the spinning as the operator
    continues to maintain the feed of Perique filler and wrapper by overlapping
    further supplies as the ends pass through the spin machine.

    The spun tobacco, known as "rope", is automatically wound onto reels or
    bobbins, each holding 300 feet of an approximate weight of 25 lbs. These reels
    are set aside and held for 48 hours. The rope is then unwound, cut into 4/5'
    lengths that are take to a cutting machine and cut at 22 cuts to 1 inch each.
    The cut tobacco is carefully placed into trays without damaging the flakes and
    the trays are placed in a trolley and into a drying oven (265 F, 9 minutes).
    The flakes are dried to the final desired packing moisture content (19/20%). On
    removal from the drying oven, the flakes are allowed to cool and then (in the
    same trays) is placed into a store and held for 24 hours, such that the
    moisture is allowed to even out before the finished product is sent to the
    packaging room.

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    Thedudabides: I agree. That is the most comprehensive formula there is. I thought I had seen a description of what Virginias were used, but maybe my memory has failed or I saw it somewhere else that I can't remember now. Your post is much easier to go through than the links I've been reading. Thank you.

    As for the topping question, the only thing I can say is that I have smoked a few bowls of Three Nuns from WW2, but the tobacco had degraded just a little. It tasted like a little heavier, little less spicey version of what I was used to. I started smoking it in 1982, and never noticed much of a change from then until the 2003 production beyond thinking the '80s version was slightly more peppery than the late '90s version. I have a friend who smoked it in the mid-1950s through most of the 1960s, and he gave up pipe smoking. When he returned to it sometime in the 1980s, he didn't think it had changed.

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    Jim, Just wondering if the 1999 & 2000 imperial tobacco version of three nuns has that rumcake flavour, and aroma nuance that stays with you after the smoke. I've noticed this nuance in all the old tins I've had but I think they were pre imperial. Thanks.

    Also did the three nuns really have 31% Burley as a filler? I'm thinking was all Virginia.
    The only reference I can find is three nuns used "brights" The wrapper used was higher quality to hold it together. I believe that the perique substitute was a type of cavendish made with Virginia. In the UK I've read they often made cavendish with virginia rather than burley.

    -Tim

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    Timpiper: I never really thought the rum was all that noticeable. It seemed very lightly applied. I never felt it was plumy, either. It always seemed raisiny, figgy, spicy, with some tangy sweetness and a lightly persistent sour note that I really liked. I really liked the after taste. I believe the burley was Malawi.

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    Thanks Jim. Would you say more fruit cake like then. I get the raisin. But it reminds me of plum pudding or fruitcake with rum or brandy in it. I get the spicy note its very sweet and spicy to me.
    Maybe its also the age of what I've smoked, but nothing else is like it.

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    Nothing else is like it indeed! It's my all time favorite smoke, so I am rather prejudiced on the subject. No, I can't say it ever reminded me of fruit cake because it wasn't sweet enough, and frankly, I hate fruit cake! If it was like that, I'd have never smoked it. I rank the sweet factor as between mild to medium. Again, I never got plum from it. The tangy sweetness came from the red Va., though I'm not sure what country it came from. That makes a difference because many Virginias grown overseas are different (usually stronger, tangier, and earthier) than what is grown in the US.

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