For home protection when I get married. Thinking of a Dobie or a German. Any recommendations?
For home protection when I get married. Thinking of a Dobie or a German. Any recommendations?
I love German Shepherds, my aunt had 2 dobies and they were great dogs, but as they got older they started to get aggressive and eventually turned on her, she had to have them put down. Someone told me their brains don't stop growing so as they get older they may get aggressive. I haven't done any research on it so I don't know if it's true or not. But definitely something to look up if you're considering getting one.
A bull mastiff? My cousin has a brindle half pit/mastiff. That dog is pretty intimidating.
I had a German Shepherd named Bo, he was the sweetest dog I've ever had, he was old and died about 9 or 10 years ago. I've wanted another ever since.
A big dog can be a problem if you live in an apartment. If you and your squeeze/wife/partner both work, Doggie Day Care (around here anyway) is $25-$35 per day. Just the "maintenance meds" from 1-800-PETMEDS cost $5-$10 a week. My big dog ate a 25 pound bag of dog food a week. My Shar Pei cost me more in doctor's bills than either of my kids. If you have kids, the dog can be an additional challenge as well -- you have to watch both all the time. Some dogs require a lot of exercise, which can be a good or bad thing.
No we'll be living in a large home with backyard. My s/o works from home so we'll always have someone home, hence the need to begin with.
Just do your research on temperament and energy levels and what not. Also remember that typically the large the dog, the shorter the life span, unfortunately. When you decide to get a dog, go to a reputable breeder or a rescue. Avoid the pet shops at all costs. Those are mostly puppy mill dogs and will usually have a shit load of problems.
A good dog for protection is a Belgian Mallonwa? I know I butchered that name. Very loyal and friendly, not high energy and pretty smart. They are used as police and search/rescue dogs a lot. My mother in law had one before she passed away for exactly what you are looking for. The best guard dogs are not the in your face kind, at least in my experience.
Get a small dog and a big gun. The dog is the alarm and you're the heavy. A miniature poodle can be loud enough to sound the alarm and smart enough to get out of the way when you cock the shot gun. It's easier to get a clear shot over a small poodle than a Great Dane who is trying to jump in your lap, because he's scared. It also won't get freaked out and accidentally bite you by mistake (happened to 2 people I knew who had large dogs). I've known more than one burglar personally and big dogs are a whole lot easier to distract when you're not home. One guy I knew used to throw a sausage in a spare room and lock the dog inside. If you don't believe me watch a few episodes of "It takes a thief".
+10,000 to the Baron. Small dogs are very territorial and will sound the alarm at the slightest noise, that's really all you need a dog to do, alert you to the trouble so you and Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson can thoroughly investigate the disturbance. Big dogs are overrated for protection, unless they are specifically trained to be attack dogs, in which case they can be dangerous to small children they don't know etc. Just my 2 cents. I'll take a small dog every time.
Wish my "landlord" would allow me to get a dog. Been wanting a boston terrier for years.
I agree with baronsamedi, any dog with the right amount of protectiveness will be a good guard dog.
Get one that talks.
This is an older picture of my pooch. He's a great dog and is very protective when I'm not home. He's not trained as a guard dog, but I trust him to wake me up when needed. Not sure he would go after someone when they were breaking in but if they keep coming after hearing his nasty bark they aren't the brightest, especially at night.
Ya can't smoke a dog man.
I have two small dogs that can hear a mouse fart in the next county, that and a gun works wonders for us
Having had both breeds you mention I can tell you they can be excitable, not good in a home protection situation. I now have a 110 lb black lab. He is the sweetest dog you would ever meet.
One day a guy on a motorcycle came down the drive, now my drive is 2 1/0's of a mile long, and Jake saw him as he got off. This sweet happy mass of a dog turned in to Cujo before my eyes. Hair on back went up and a single WOOF came out that was a loud very deep base tone I have never heard before. He pushed me out of the way with his body and stood guard at my feet. Now this was no small takes, as I am 6'4" and 260, so he was ready for a fight. The poor guy was just lost but he told me he thought the dog was going to kill him at any moment. Now, Jake never left my side and didn't yip, yap or carry on barking but that dog has a 6" gang of teeth and can run down a squirrel, pretty fast for 110. I know I wouldn't want that black ball of death after me. After the guy left, Jake was back in the grass, upside down waiting for the evil squirrels to return, a big black ball of 'holy crap what a nice day' dog.
Long story short, get a black Lab because remember you are not always around with the Colt Combat Elite 45 hanging at your side.
I recently got an English Bulldog, granted they're expensive and can have health issues, but he has stopped a would be burglar (for his previous owner) once that I know of and is compact but sounds HUGE
German Sheppards are great dogs too
I think it really depends on how prone to burglary/home invasion your house is...
Get a small dog and a big gun
Dogs are good for warnings, no so much for the actual protection. I have a English Bulldog and her bark sounds like Deaths Calling Card. I have had neighbors run over when her and I play in the back yard to see what was killing me just from her sound. However she is afraid of everything including Celing fans, Tv trays, and those black crickets that come in from outside around here. She barks, I shoot it is a good partnership.
lol. You guys crack me up. I wanted a Husky since I used to have one as a kid but it turns out they suck as guard dogs because they love everyone. They'd probably help carry the loot out for the bad guy. I am reluctant on the Dobie and German because of their huge size but thats what my sweetie wants. But I know they are excellent guard dogs. I agree that a dog is really an alarm. Both of us are shooters, I've been through extensive weapon training though she's catching up. We've both have an elevated threat level due to an incident. This will be interesting.....
"Ya can't smoke a dog man." Why not?
@pipeinhand. I've heard Labs are really great and smart dogs. I've never had one. I had a friend with one who used to jump all over me and slobber up my suit (that I used to have to wear back in the day) so i think i made the mistake of not liking the breed because my friend never took the time to train her animal. We will for sure get the right training right from puppy stage.
a dog is really an alarm
That really depends on how much time, money and training you want to invest. If you want an attack/guard, I'd suggest a german..they're not a huge breed..size of a lab. Big enuff to stop a bad guy though
My dad trained and jumped with them in Korea, he said they were the only breed he'd trust his life with
Small dogs are very territorial and will sound the alarm at the slightest noise, that's really all you need a dog to do,
We have had cocker spaniels for many years now. They are a sporting breed, don't shed, and aren't yippy. Our latest has a nice deep bark. The good thing is, if I hear a strange noise and my dog ain't barking, I go right back to sleep.
We used to have a lab, but the shedding can be a bit much. Basically, with short hair dogs (like labs and shepherds), expect to find dog hair everywhere.
I will add, if you live in an area where you have to fear your own neighbors (like a certain nephew of mine does), then having an intimidating dog is the way to go. Good luck.
get a boxer, they will sound the alarm so you can protect yourself and family, we have had boxers for over 30 years. they are also great with infants and childern. no agreesion towards family members.
get a boxer, they will sound the alarm so you can protect yourself and family, we have had boxers for over 30 years. they are also great with infants and childern. no agreesion towards family members
I haven't owned one, but friends have for many years and think they are the greatest. The also have a tough look about them.
p.s. I will add, if your heart is set on a big dog, I would choose a German Shepherd over a Doberman. Shepherd's have a stellar reputation as a guard dog and a family dog.
Yes, this will be a family guard dog. About this idea of a "safe neighborhood" I dont think such a think really exists. We will live in Bellevue WA, which arguably is one of the nicer cities in WA state, lots of Microsoft money, extremely good schools. So it's considered "safe". In 2012, there was 1 murder, 23 rapes, 58 robberies, and 58 assaults in a city of 127,000. These aren't terrible statistics but as I said, we both have an elevated threat level.
About this idea of a "safe neighborhood" I dont think such a think really exists.
It's true, but some are definitely worse than others. Still, I agree, a big dog can be a deterrent to crime. If some neighborhood kids are out to rob a house, and they know you have a German Shepherd, they are going to probably choose your neighbor, the one with the cocker spaniel! lol.
So the neighborhood where my gf lives is considered to be one of the safest in Bellevue. Nice houses, nice people, family oriented, etc. Recently a bad guy has been hiding behind garbage cans late at night and when the woman gets out of her car, he robs her at gun point. He has gotten away with this on 4 occasions so far. I have installed a motion detector next to the house which is only activated if there is movement on the side of the house (not the car driving up to the drive way), i have also fixed the gate to make sure it's locked/shut, so if its ever jarred or slightly open, we know someone entered the gate. We have some procedural things that we've implemented for her too.
Zonomo, I really have to agree with philobeddoe, dervis, and numbersix. Big does not mean good protection. For that one needs a gun! Many dogs will sound an alarm (particulary the smaller breads) but they all will fall down on the job for "protection" unless you have the proverbial "junk yard dog", who does not like anyone (including you). I have a Samoyed, and although he is big, and occasionaly scares people that are not familiar with them (as he looks like a White Wolf), he actually would probably show you where the money is, and certainly give you a kiss, if you offered him a treat. I saw a video of a test that was performed to check out the reliability of a guard dog. It was done on several breeds, all supposidly trained to protect and in each and every case, when confronted with a unknown visitor, after a bark or two, they just would lay down somewhere, and let the treaspasser have his way. BIG DOES NOT MEAN YOU WILL BE PROTECTED. .45 caliber.....now that is BIG!
get a chow. They were bred for personal security in Asia. They are great family dogs and get along with kids, but woe be to any who they don't know or weren't introduced to by their family.
Most commonly kept as pets, Chow Chows tend to display discernment of strangers and can become fiercely protective of their owners and property. The American Kennel Club standards, however, consider an all-too aggressive or all-too timid Chow Chow to be unacceptable. For that reason, some owners have attributed a cat-like personality to the Chow Chow.from the temperament portion ofThe Wikipedia on Chows
Owning a Chow Chow can raise the cost of homeowners insurance because some companies consider them high-risk dogs. In a study in the Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association, out of 238 fatalities related to dog bites from 1979 to 1998, Chow Chow were responsible for eight.
Chow Chow are not excessively active, meaning that they can be housed in an apartment. However, Chow Chow living in apartments will need daily exercise to prevent restlessness and boredom. Upon realizing that exercise is a daily occurrence, Chow Chow will tend to be more assertive with owners in anticipation of such activities.
BIG DOES NOT MEAN YOU WILL BE PROTECTED.
That is a good point and while I vote for a small dog overall, another POV is that many robberies are committed by local kids - who watch your home and know when you leave the house. They will also know if you own a big dog; and even if the dog isn't a trained attack dog, I would bet that it would be a bigger deterrent over a small dog.
All of that said, I wouldn't get a big dog for protection reasons alone. You need to like the dog's temperment, etc.
Personally, I just can't be bothered to worry about every possible thing that could go wrong in my life. Which is why I own a small dog - much easier to take care of.
@Scottishjohn: Trust me when I say we are well armed (and trained). So the dog is really an early warning system + we both love dogs. Some good perspectives here that I handnt considered but now will. BTW, my dog before my last one was a Sammie. I LOVED That Dog. Super friendly and extremely smart. But probably too nice for what we want to do here.
of the two choices I would definitely go for the GS. do not get one from a backyard breeder or pet shop. do your homework on local breeders. There are some great dogs to be had from your local rescue or animal shelters. Particularly if you don't want a puppy that needs house trained and will chew the legs off of your furniture. I would suggest that both of you go through obedience classes with it.
OK heres my pov whether you want it or not...you're both armed and trained, I assume you leagaly cary as well, so what you want is an "early warning system"..this is my perspective as well..I have 2 dogs, 1 specifically to pick up waterfowl that I hunt, she lives in the house with us, the other as I've said is the bulldog we got a couple weeks ago. Neither we're specifically for guard dog purposes, I've wanted a bulldog for as long as I remember. I as you have the get out of the truck route covered for security, in the house one of the dogs will warn me of strangers, when I'm not home if theres a break in the police will be alerted and I live 1/2 a mile from the station so they should makr it there within an hour, I have insurance that will take care of us...possesions can be replaced.
If this is your opinion, any attentive breed that loves his family and has asome training will serve you well. Labs and Bulldogs especially
Ya can't smoke a dog man.
No but you can smoke with one
Okay, forgive me, but why is this posted under "General Pipe Smoking Discussion"? Shouldn't it be in "General Discussion"?
A few years back, I lived in a very rough neighborhood. It was actually a beautiful neighborhood, but then an organized gang of drug dealers opened a number of crack houses and things really went to hell. I am talking lots of shootings, drive-byes, gangs of wild kids out roaming the streets. My house was broken into three times in about a year and I was shot at once. (Then I got a dog and got serious about my security and most of that bullshit stopped.) It was a truly dangerous situation. And it was very sad how a beautiful older neighborhood previously populated mainly by older people became a nightmare.
During that period, I owned a Belgian Malinois dog. Based on my experience, I would disagree with posters who say that the size of the dog does not matter. It mattered a lot. My dog, Walt, was so big and protective and snarly that the local wild boys starting calling him "loco diablo." They left us alone after he bit two people who meant to do us harm. He also once single-handedly cleared the street when a big gang fight started in front of my house. With all due respect, a little dog would never have made a difference there and then.
Belgians are not for everyone. They are very smart and independent dogs and they can be very stubborn and willful. However, they are very serious about protecting their homes and families and because they are athletic and aggressive they have the means to do so.
Later on, I had a Pit Bull, who was without a doubt the kindest, smartest dog I have ever owned. He was also a tremendous guard dog. He once chased a would-be burglar THROUGH a wooden fence. He always got between my wife and any stranger and he charged a number of people who were acting aggressive and crazy. Again, he had the size, attitude, fearlessness, and athleticism to make a difference.
I no longer live in that neighborhood, thankfully. But my experience there has taught me that when the chips are really down, you do want a big, alert, aggressive dog with you. The dog will react much quicker than you possibly can, will pick up threats way before you do, and the size and attitude of the animal WILL make people think twice about messing with you or your home.
If you are concerned about your security, or you are living in a neighborhood that has become a war zone, you want these things:
-- Good property insurance
-- Good locks and doors
-- A seriously capable guard dog
-- An electronic security system in your house and in your car
-- Well thought-out security planning
-- Last, and I mean, last, a gun and the training to use it. The other things are much more important. I say this as a gun owner.
I cannot stress enough that when someone comes after you or your property, they will do it when you are least aware and most vulnerable. You almost certainly will not be able to react quickly enough and decisively enough to deter the action. A big, aggressive, smart dog will often TAKE CARE of the situation when you are still only vaguely aware it is happening. And if you ever get people breaking into your house, you will wish you had DOZENS of big mean dogs inside. The sense of violation and the damage these creeps cause is not to be believed. I was broken into, and had significant thefts, four times. Once the people who broke in were THREE ex-cons, all of whom had done time for either murder or physical assault. You do not want these people in your house. And if they get in, believe me, you will want every avantage you can get. I love all dogs, large, small, in-between. I just want to say, very seriously, that if you really are worried about your security, get a big, smart, aggressive dog and train it well. You will have no better friend when the shit hits the fan.
When I lived in R.I I had an acre and a half of land and I owned a white German Shepard. He was 125 pounds and he looked like a giant wolf when he went after people. He never bit anyone but if anyone came on to the property he would scare the shit out of them. He was so protective of my kids and his territory that I never had to lock the doors. If anyone would have not stopped dead in their tracks when he came charging, he would have attacked. My kids could hang all over him, grab his ears, ride him and do whatever and he was as gentle as could be. We got a Maltese who was a female and she would growl at him, bite him and hang off his lips and he wouldn't do a thing, she weighed maybe 7 pounds. It was the third shepard I had owned all being white and they are great dogs, unfortunately they shed something awful and they all get bad hips.
I know have a yorkie and an American Bulldog. The bulldog is the most loving and friendly dog I have ever owned and is also very smart. He loves everyone and is almost a year old and weighs 90 pounds. He will growl if anyone comes to the house but once he sees anyone he wants to lick them to death.
Here is my favorite pic of Brutus, he sits in a chair like a human, and I honestly believe he thinks he is human. He is just chilling on my lanai looking up at the clouds.
I love that picture of Brutus. American Bulldogs are great dogs.
You could get a lovable Labrador Retriver and he/she would lick a burgler to death since they like everyone.
they shed something awful
I could see myself getting a German Shepherd, they're great dogs except for the shedding. I know what it's like to live with a dog that sheds a lot and it's worse than one might expect.
Another issue I have with using a big dog for personal security is the possibility of getting sued or even criminally prosecuted if your dog bites someone. This can happen in some places even if the person he bit is the BAD GUY! I have lived in the burbs and I've lived in parts of the hood where the police don't go after dark. While living in the hood, I had a GSD/Wolf Hybrid. He was a badass and could hit like a hammer. The problem is, he would hit ANYONE unless I stopped him. Aggressive dogs fit for attack training have a whole different set of rules than a family dog doing double duty as a guard dog. People that don't understand the rules become chew toys and frankly, most people are ignorant in that respect. You end up spending most of your time trying to keep your friends and their kids out of the hospital. If you buy a big dog for a family dog and he gets confused as to whether or not to rip strangers a new one(a stranger being anyone who is not his favorite person)you can end up in court.
Got a Catahoula Cur Champion dog, throws a 2500 lb steer down by jumping up , biting nose and twists, is constantly by my side caught a couple of young men dumping truck load of trash on back of farm,didn"t have my hog leg with me, one came at me , big mistake, Ki "s hackles came up and he ran back to truck, made them pick up trash, wife said after that you are lucky Ki was with you, and I agreed The old cajun
Based on my experience, I would disagree with posters who say that the size of the dog does not matter. It mattered a lot.
Good post - I think a large dog can make the difference at times.
You end up spending most of your time trying to keep your friends and their kids out of the hospital.
Got a Catahoula Cur Champion dog, throws a 2500 lb steer down by jumping up
Bradely - you are a badass, plain and simple. *respect*
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@joeahearn - thanks, really great and well thought out post.
@cigrmaster - epic pic of Brutis. Really love this. I had an English Schnauzer who though he was a person and sat like that watching TV!
@Old Cajun - quite a beautiful dog.
Old Cajun--Glad to hear that good report about Ki. He is a beautiful dog, too.
Thanks joe and zonomo, 12 more days and Brutus turns 1 year old, no longer can I call him a puppy. He hasn't felt like a puppy in months really. He just keeps getting bigger and bigger. His chest is so freaking big and muscled, when we play tug of war it takes a lot of my strength to win.
old cajun, I love that pic, beautiful animal.
I have always wanted a black Lab. Loved pipeinhands narration. I can't have a dog because walking it 2-3 times a day is more than I am interested in doing.
Great pics of the dogs guys.
We have two Chocolate Labs. My children use them for everything from transportation to stepping stools. The other day I was standing in the kitchen doing dishes any my oldest male came in dressed in a kids tee shirt. I don't even want to know what they we're doing to him. "Take your shirt off the dog.", is a phrase I never thought I'd utter.
One thing about Labs (least mine) is they need to play, run, and chew. Your arm will fall off from throwing that tennis ball before they get tired of bringing it back to you.
I am a bulldog man. The only thing I'd add to the comment from chris is that bulldogs only tend to defend a home if the low life enters the property from an unusual place. Generally if they come through the front door the bully will, we'll be a bully and pin him down for a cuddle and good lick!
A few years ago now I had an American bulldog of the Alahapa blue blood variety. They have loads of American history and as guard dogs at that. They are extremely trainable. My girls mum was a trained shutzhund and fantastic pet. Her owners also bread thoroughbred stallions who's stables were a ten min walk across they're property, which was the reason for the dogs training. On one command she went from a loving pet to a murderous beast! And back just as quick.
My bitch, although did not receive the professional training, was extremely obedient, intelligent enough to accept her place in my home (she took command not only from me but my wife and two kids) and above all protective. She did not however show any protectiveness without command, apart from wen the doorbell went.
These are great dogs, even crossed with Rottweilers which I know is popular in the states. The call them bullweillers, it just makes the huge!
My brother keeps dobermans and I've noticed they have trouble serving two purposes. They are either great pets or great guards and not a lot in between.
I've not had much experience with German shepards but they use them for police dogs here in the uk which says alot. They l however suffer from blindness, deafness and bad hips. All hereditary so good research and honest breeders can eliminate this.
Being a dog lover to the max I would like to pass on to you what I consider my responsible buying rule. I won't buy a dog who's breeding programme is not one that is breeding out hereditary problems. For example my bully's came from stock with long snouts, long lives, no heart problems or hip displacements or cherry eye. As a breeder it's my responsibly to breed out these ailments. If all breeders did this we could all have healthy dogs.
Good luck and enjoy whatever dog you buy
You just can't beat a Lab. Whatever you get though, there is a rescue league for that breed, look there first and save a dogs life.
Jake On Watch
Gretchen Taking A Time Out
Def rescue if you can. Rescue dogs can be trained too, my lab is a perfect example, she was 30 months old when I got her in Jan of '06, the following Sept she was hunting, takes hand signals better than my brothers $1000 hardhead
Ditto on the rescue idea. My last dog, Henry, was a rescue. My son found him in a parking lot. He was the best dog ever, and totally, and I mean totally, devoted to his family.
if you want a early warning barker get yourself a Dachshund.. they lady next to me (at least 300 yards away) has a couple that go nuts when I step out on the front porch and they can't even see me. walking down the driveway to get the paper or mail sends them into meltdown mode.
Teddy, you seem to be a man of few words.
If i have someting to say ,i will, but most of the time i just read and listen.
growing up if i spoke up i got hit, guess that's still with me at 64
Whatever you get though, there is a rescue league for that breed, look there first and save a dogs life.
Rosie we found at the animal shelter and Roxy I found in a parking lot as I left the gym one afternoon. I took her to the shelter because Shih-Tzus are expensive dogs and I thought the owners would be looking for her, but nope. A week later I adopted her and she's been by my side ever since. Some people see shelter dogs as throwaways, but it is the people who should be thrown away because the dog is just fine.
+1 baron!! I would like to find a three legged dog. For obvious reasons!
Some people see shelter dogs as throwaways, but it is the people who should be thrown away because the dog is just fine.
Has anyone here ever had a Rhodesian Ridgeback?
I have wondered about those dogs for exactly this purpose.
I'm with mlyvers, a boxer is an awesome dog. I've had 4 and IMO they bond stronger with their owners then most dogs. My male that I have now is about 4.5, his name is Evander, and he is my shadow. Most people think boxers are really hyper dogs, and while they can go outside an play an play, they can also be very calm. Every boxer I've had seems to mimic my mood and temperament. Evander is probably the best, most well behaved dog I've ever had. He is as friendly as can be but at the same time, he doesn't trust strangers and if I have someone new over to my house, he won't let them out of his sight. He will even follow them at a distance if they go to the bathroom an sit outside the door! Mostly he stays indoors and sits no more than 3 ft away from me at all times.
I traveled about 10 months out of the year for work during the first 3 years I had him so I sort of trained him to only listen to me and while it comes in handy, my fiancé hates it! He just refuses to listen to anyone but me. Anyway my rambling has gone on long enough, so to make a short story, boxers are great dogs. I wouldn't have any other breed.
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