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Squadron Leader with Perique

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  1. atskywalker

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    SmokingPipes.com is selling a special edition of Squadron Leader with Perique. Anyone has any idea if this is something to go buy ? Apparently that was the recipe in the old days.

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    I got 6 tins. 1 for snacking and 5 for the cellar.

    It is a limited run of 2000 tins, so jump while you can.

    Round it out with some lb of C&D still on sale so you get free shipping.

    =)

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    LOL! The moment I got the email I went on there and was about to order 5. 1 for snaking and 4 for the seller being a limited edition and so on.

    Then I stopped and asked myself...... I haven't even tried Squadron Leader before (although I hear good things about it). I have a lineup of untried tobaccos already in my cellar to last me for maybe a couple of years. What exactly is going on here in my mind?

    Hearing the well crafted marketing message I was meant to feel a sense of urgency and go buy right now before its too late something I never tried before and have no connection with.

    Dear Mr. TAD... I'm going to say no to you this time. Not because Squadron Leader is no worthy of respect (heck.. He's a squadron leader) but because I'm for once going to listen to the voice of reason that tells me that the momentary sense of urgency will disappear and the world will be exactly the same.

    The world will be the same minus a few bowls of that special limited edition baccy that I may never get to taste...

    Oh no... Now I want to buy it again!!!!!!

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    atskywalker-
    YEP....thats TAD in full force!!
    If you don't like it, it would always be good trading fodder..........
    Guess I not helping much here....

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    As a mattar of principle and to, for once, prove to myself that I'm no victim of TAD I'll pass on the Squadron Leader

    oh oh... Isn't this similar to the guy who, to assuage himself - and his wife, decides to skip on the pub this one night just to prove to himself something he knows isn't true?

    Addictions.... Fun stuff

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    I got a couple of tins. Love regular Squadron Leader.I, too am tempted to get the full 15 tins. What if I fall in love with this and can't get any more?

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    Couldn't resist the temptation. FYI, if you want it, suggest you jump on it NOW! After I revised my order, they have less than 150 tins.

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    Seems like it will be good. Something to perk up the old leathery blend a bit. Yum.

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    Hey Guys,

    Just to clarify, while these are going quickly, we have well more than 150 tins left.

    Cheers,

    Adam O'Neill
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    To all the guys who are struggling to remain rational about buying this tobacco, let me insert some reality into the situation.

    It never matters how much tobacco you have in total, nor does it matter of what type, mostly alike, somewhat alike or entirely different, that you already have cellared. The real choice is always to buy more. Don't think of what's in the cellar that you might enjoy just as much, cave to the lure of what you don't have, and get it.

    The good thing is that the Feds will, one day, increase taxes and the price of tobacco will become onerous here just as it is now abroad. Though buying tobacco doesn't ever need to be defended, as it is in itself an obvious good, that's always a good reason to buy more tobacco. The longer they take to raise taxes also provides you with more time to buy tobacco. But then again, drop that $10K you were going to deposit in your son's college fund on tobacco, today.

    Another good reason to buy more tobacco is aging. What you put in the cellar today will come due in 2-5 years, your choice. The point is buy tobacco and cellar it now because aged tobacco is so much better. This principle is infallible per the current pope. Call him up and ask him, why dontcha?

    Another good reason to buy more tobacco is that the price of pipes, like the prices of good cigars, will bankrupt you. Therefore don't buy any more pipes and avoid the siren call of your favorite pipe porn sites. Like women, you're gonna want what you look at. Instead, of course, buy more tobacco. You can bankrupt yourself buying tobacco, but it takes a lot longer than buying pipes or cigars, so you can get more pleasure given the length of the buying.

    Now when you really lay into it, you're going to find that the boxes in which you store all of your new tobacco are going to pile up, and you're going to need more space. The answer is of course to take out a second mortgage on your pipes or all of your tobacco and build an addition for more storage; and thus to keep on trucking.

    In the end you can never have too much tobacco. Before you kick write yourself a note where it was stored the last time you were here so that in your next life you'll know where to go to pick it up. This strategy has been known to defeat the "can't take it with you" policy so common in these parts. Store your pipes in the same place.

    Right now, given my discovery of the Lakelands, UK Plugs and HU Tobacco, I could easily drop $5K on tobacco. My problem is I spent all my money cellaring Condor, and my family has long since cut me off. I've got 150 pounds in the cellar, but hey, who's counting?

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    Can't argue with that logic 4noggins. No sir. Let's see now....home equity loan of hmmmm....value minus liability leaves me with...let's say $100K. 80% of that is $80K. Divided by average cost of 50g tin around, say $10, and I can buy 8000 tins. Wow. Move over Peck. A new king of the cellar is coming.

    Oh well, sanity took over just before I pushed the button..only got 2 tins

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    Got 3. Couldn't resist.

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    After all the pep talk to myself about being strong I somehow found a reason to order 2 tins.... Now... I'm in Canada so it doesn't really make sense to buy only 2 tins of tobacco given the shipping costs so I obviously added 3 more tins to my order. There you go. Thank you guys.

    I think this forum is the main reason why we have TAD. You guys are like those kids my mom didn't want me to go out with at school coz they'd encourage me to do bad stuff :D......... Little did my mom know that I'm usually the one who did the encouraging for most of whom I knew and didn't need any encouragement myself!

    Sigh.....

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    davidintexas, I just wanted you to know that there's no reason in hell that you should deny yourself those 8000 tins.

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    Had to grab 5 tins after seeing this post

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    Sold out. Dang! Did they really sell 2,000 tins so soon?

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    When I first met SL about 10 years ago or so it was a fine medium English and I had some perique at the time and was used to spicing things up a good bit. Mixing in some perique did wonders for SL and this was without any significant blending/marrying time. If its all gone, it will be back at some time or simply go get some blending perique and have at it. The resulting mixture was delicious.

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    Well did not go as fast as the holy grail's P and SH but did very well. Glad I got mine.

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    There's Tobacco Acquisition Disorder, and then there's Tobacco Acquisition Derangement. TADD?

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    Just checked and sold out! Dang, I saw this post yesterday and thought I'd have at least 'till Sunday!

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    Got 5 an hour after the email came out.

    We should all report back and see who got the lowest numbers.

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    I only picked up three tins. I'll have one now and store the others. I still have so many other blends waiting to be smoked. My cellar is bursting at the seams. I actually hope there will be a tobacco Armageddon scenario, so having a cellar this huge will finally make sense...

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    I bought 10! Between the qty discount and free shipping it was $10 a tin. I won't even crack the first one for a year. Might be some great stuff in 10-20yrs

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    I'm new to English blends, trying different Dunhills, but the limited number hooked me and reeled me in.Ordered two, one to sample and one to squirrel away.

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    I am still exploring different blends to see what I like and dislike. I have not tried Squadron Leader but when I got the email it piqued my TAD interest and I quickly ordered three tins. Gonna stash it away for a while before giving it a try. Curious what my tin numbers will be as well.

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    I missed out on this one pretty bummed.

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    shanelktown, I missed out, too. I am trying to understand why they would make just 2000 tins. It is not like they made a special edition that consumed the last Syrian Latakia in existence. Actually, the tactic of this sales pitch kind of annoys me. I may just steer my business to other retailers until the taste of sour grapes has subsided.

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    shanelktown, I missed out, too. I am trying to understand why they would make just 2000 tins. It is not like they made a special edition that consumed the last Syrian Latakia in existence. Actually, the tactic of this sales pitch kind of annoys me. I may just steer my business to other retailers until the taste of sour grapes has subsided.

    Don't be too surprised if a boatload more gets produced.

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    Yeah I can see this as maybe a limited edition trial to see how sales and reviews go.

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    I could see it being re-issued too since it disappeared so quickly?

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    I got 2 tins. I am a sucker for limited editions and anything that may not be sold anymore. I guess I think I'm missing out on something lol. And the funny thing is, I still haven't tried the regular current blend even though I have a tin sitting in my horde.

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    I feel like such an underachiever. I only ordered two!

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    Well to all who order 5+ tins if you do not enjoy this blend pm me lol

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    "I am a sucker for limited editions and anything that may not be sold anymore."

    Me too, but It appears there will be more to come and then some. If we all knew we could order/reorder in the future, the demand would lessen.

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    If this is re-released it probably will not be a numbered, limited edition so the batch that just sold will probably find a collectors market.

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    I hope more will be produced. I am interested in the blend rather than the collectible nature of a tin, so unnumbered tins will suit me fine.

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    shanelktown, I missed out, too. I am trying to understand why they would make just 2000 tins. It is not like they made a special edition that consumed the last Syrian Latakia in existence. Actually, the tactic of this sales pitch kind of annoys me. I may just steer my business to other retailers until the taste of sour grapes has subsided.

    2,000 tins in the world of super-premium small run tobaccos is pretty big. I appreciate that you guys think that we know what's going to happen before it happens with these things, but, seriously, we really don't.

    We committed to what seemed, at the time, to be a scary number of tins (keep in mind, to make this sort of thing happen, we have to commit to pay for whatever it is, regardless of whether we sell it quickly or not).

    Seriously, if we'd known it would run out this fast, we'd have ordered a bigger run. It'd be crazy for us not to.

    Sykes

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    So are there any plans to obtain and sell more?

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    Given the success of this offering, I hope that SP is emboldened to try similar special release offerings for other blends in the future.

    Blend it, and they will come.

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    Perhaps a limited release of Captain Bob's blend with a different kool-Aid flavor?

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    I picked up 5 tins. The idea of returning a blend to its original formula certainly intrigued me.

    Maybe we could get Germain to produce a special edition of Balkan Sobrani using the ingredients, like Syrian Latakia, that were in the original. Should only take 10-15 years for them to get around to it.

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    My five arrived. 588 lowest number.

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    bcharles, are the numbers consecutive?

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    No they are randomish. Highest number 1260

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    Doesn't matter I suppose but would be nice if they were consecutive.

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    So are there any plans to obtain and sell more?

    +1

    Regular availability of this blend in non-special edition packaging would tell me Smokingpipes.com is indeed serious about providing desirable tobaccos to consumers. Otherwise, Squadron Leader Special Edition will just linger in my memory as a gimmick to get people to panic buy an artificially scarce product. I will for the time being withhold judgment and my Dollars.

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    I, for one, appreciate SP's innovation and creativity, whether or not SL with Perique is ever released again or not. Sometimes a special really is a special and I welcome them, e.g. limited edition Christmas pipes or blends. I don't want to ding sponsors for trying new things. SP could as easily have been left sitting on an inventory of 1500 plus tins that they would have to dump for a fire sale. JMO.

    In fairness, I was able to purchase my share. If I had missed out, I might feel a little differently.

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    I too appreciate limited additions and anticipate buying future offerings.Squadron Leader was on my list to try in a future order, this limited is just a bonus. I'm looking forward to trying this and squirreling one away.

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    Actually, if I buy a limited edition, and then the offer is repeated a few months later, I feel gypped. The company has undercut the value of my purchase.

    We have a furniture company in Washington, DC that is in the business of "Going out of business" sales. They've open and closed at least 4 or 5 times to my recollection.

    Annual sales are a different matter than limited edition sales. I bought the limit on Escuo last year from 4 Noggins and was happy that they repeated the sale this year.

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    Lol, back by popular demand limited editions. I certainly agree with you there.

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    Got a confirmation that my 5 tins have shipped

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    My order shows as shipped but the tracking doesn't seem to work for me. Last order tracked fine and showed "cleared Canada customs" and the next time I checked said it arrived in Miami, it was delivered that same day.

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    brass,

    I understand your position, but I do not see anything intrinsically special about Squadron Leader Special Edition. McClelland's Christmas Cheer is intrinsically special because it consists of tobacco from a single crop. Squadron Leader Special Edition is special in the sense that they took a well-known, popular blend, added a well-known, popular condimental leaf to it, and, most importantly, added some numbers to the label on the tin. The "specialness" of the Special Edition comes all, or nearly all, from the addition of those numbers.

    I also do not really see the risk in a 2000-tin run of this tobacco. As previously noted, Squadron Leader is popular - it ranks 28th in Smokingpipes.com tin sales. For reference, G.L. Pease Six Pence ranks 27th. Perique, too, is clearly popular, being a component of other top-selling tobaccos. Adding Perique to Squadron Leader does not really strike me as bold or risky. Adding the oft bemoaned Mixture 79 to Squadron leader and calling it Squadron Leader Special Edition would have been bold and risky, but adding Perique to Squadron Leader to return the blend to its original formulation seems to me neither bold nor risky. Returning Squadron Leader to its original formulation is just a good idea, a good idea that most pipe smokers will not experience because production was capped at 2000 tins.

    I have to wonder how many buyers actually did purchase this tobacco. If the average purchase was two tins, then only 1000 pipe smokers got some of this blend. I suspect the average of tins purchased by a single customer was actually somewhat higher, further restricting the exposure for this blend.

    The more I think about this, the more I feel "dinging" Smokingpipes.com is fair, their role as a sponsor of this site notwithstanding. I may be the lone customer alienated by this Special Edition, but if I am not, then the potential loss of business they face might outweigh the rush of purchases precipitated by their clever sales pitch. A small number of customers similarly steering business to other retailers, even for a short period, can have a fairly large impact.

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    Buroak, thanks for so politely expressing your opinion. I won't repeat my position or further try to convince you of it's merits. Let's agree to disagree and just pick on Captain Bob.

    I see you're two posts away from posting your 1st K of messages. Maybe for post 1000, you can take a selfie of your self pressing the "Send Post" key.

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    brass, I think we can agree to politely disagree. We will be like Chesterton and Shaw. Best we do not argue over who will play the part of which. That disagreement may be less politely settled.

    I would take a picture of myself making my 1000th post, but fortunately for those who would have to see my face, I am not currently in a place with the right equipment to do so. I trust you might be satisfied that Chesterton is mentioned in a milestone post.

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    Great initiative Sykes, I appreciate the effort and risk on the part of y'all at SP! I would like to see more forays like this, it could lead us to new blends (MIGHT I SUGGEST GAWITH FVF+BASMA/MAHALLA/Etc!!!!!!!!!!!!) If companies do an initial limited run and see the success, it may help to widen blend availability.

    PS Get on that FVF Oriental flake. Seriously.

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    The initiative shown is laudable, but without greater production numbers I do not see how such offerings "help to widen blend availability".

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    I understand your position, but I do not see anything intrinsically special about Squadron Leader Special Edition. McClelland's Christmas Cheer is intrinsically special because it consists of tobacco from a single crop. Squadron Leader Special Edition is special in the sense that they took a well-known, popular blend, added a well-known, popular condimental leaf to it, and, most importantly, added some numbers to the label on the tin. The "specialness" of the Special Edition comes all, or nearly all, from the addition of those numbers.

    And that's the point! I'll wait a couple of years and put my tins up on eBay for $100,000 apiece and retire.

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    If the blend sells out quickly, perhaps SG will see the potential and put it in the full rotation, or perhaps it will be a steady SP exclusive. Maybe testing the waters with a limited release will lead to a fuller release of said blend.

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    bought the limit 15 cellar 10 enjoy the rest

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    Yeesh, people will always find something to complain about. You give them a gold brick, and they complain that it is too heavy, the wrong color, and doesn't have handles.

    SP took a financial risk and provided the community with an opportunity to try an interesting blend. It sold out, and so it paid off, but it was a gamble. How can one criticize them for that? I just don't get it?

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    Glad I got mine. If I see something I don't want, need, like or agree with, I don't buy it.Mostly though I end up buying because I convince myself I want, need, like and can't live without it

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    I missed out as well, didn't get the notification until it was too late. You win some, you miss some. If anyone has a tin they would like to sell, send me a PM. I have not been into English blends in ages but smoked the regular SL back in the day. Would love to try it with Perique.

    Michael
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  64. buroak

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    And that's the point! I'll wait a couple of years and put my tins up on eBay for $100,000 apiece and retire.

    sablebrush52, I have quoted your post without the "emoticon" because eBay trends suggest you are being more realistic than you suggest.


    bought the limit 15 cellar 10 enjoy the rest

    scrooge, You are confirming my intuition that this blend had very limited exposure.


    Yeesh, people will always find something to complain about. You give them a gold brick, and they complain that it is too heavy, the wrong color, and doesn't have handles.

    SP took a financial risk and provided the community with an opportunity to try an interesting blend. It sold out, and so it paid off, but it was a gamble. How can one criticize them for that? I just don't get it?

    peckinpahhombre, Call me a complainer. I am complaining. I will not, though, concede that Smokingpipes.com really "took a financial risk" with this Squadron Leader Special Edition. A popular blend returned to its original formulation by the addition of a popular condimental tobacco is not risky. This offering by Smokingpipes.com was a clever marketing move, and for that I applaud them. At the same time I see this type of hype-inducing sales pitch as noxious, and I will respond as I am able - with my purchasing decisions.

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    buroak, I am sorry to say, but you are definitely in an extremely small minority with regards to your feelings about this release. And that's all I got to say about that.

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    I really would like to understand where you are coming from on this, but I just don't. I am sure if they thought it would be so easy to sell 5,000 tins then they would have ordered 5,000 tins. They would be fools not to do so. But any time you tie up money in inventory you are taking a risk, and so someone needs to make a judgment call as to how much they can sell in a reasonable period of time in order to generate a reasonable return for the capital invested and the risk taken. Sometimes that judgment is on the mark, and sometimes it's not. That's just life running a retail business.

    If it is such a no brainer, why don't you contact SG yourself, ante up your own cash, and order 2000 (or more) tins for your own Buroak Limited Edition. You will be our hero. Put me down for 2 tins.

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  67. buroak

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    peckinpahhombre, I am not sure what aspect of my perspective is so hard to understand. What I am sure of is that your astute mind (here judging by reputation) could empathize in the event that you so desired. Besides, a retailer with the presence of Smokingpipes.com is rather different to buroak, a non-retailer individual, commissioning a 2000-tin run of a particular tobacco blend.

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    buroak, I am sorry to say, but you are definitely in an extremely small minority with regards to your feelings about this release. And that's all I got to say about that.

    monty55, I can live with that. After all, pipe smokers are an extremely small minority, and we persist.

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    I will not, though, concede that Smokingpipes.com really "took a financial risk" with this Squadron Leader Special Edition. A popular blend returned to its original formulation by the addition of a popular condimental tobacco is not risky. This offering by Smokingpipes.com was a clever marketing move, and for that I applaud them. At the same time I see this type of hype-inducing sales pitch as noxious, and I will respond as I am able - with my purchasing decisions.

    I agree with most of the above regarding "risk." I'm sure SP knew quite well that selling SL with Perique would be appealing. Perique is mighty good stuff, kinda like bacon. And EVERYTHING tastes better with bacon. I think that SP would sell out 2000 specially numbered tins of "Mixture 79--Special WWI Throwback Edition a.k.a. 'The Trenchfoot'" in a matter of days because....well....we like collecting shit.

    No one knows if this stuff is any good, but the "special limited edition" appealed to us--great marketing. If it is good I do hope SP decides to make more so I can have a chance to try it.

    If I recall SP was only charging around 10 bucks a tin, right? If so it's not like they were price gouging. I'd think that they could have sold these at 17-20 bucks a tin and they still would have sold out within days.

    I'll keep shopping at SP because they're a good, reliable company--just make more SL with perique, dammit!!

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  70. gloucesterman

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    And that's the point! I'll wait a couple of years and put my tins up on eBay for $100,000 apiece and retire

    A 2000 tin run almost assures this blend will appreciate in value so long as the offer isn't repeated too often. The success of this sale should encourage future offers and that will provide delights we might otherwise never have experienced. It will also, by the way, make early retirement possible for some but that might require more than a few tins. But given what they get for a 10 year old tin of Penzance these days, maybe not too many more.

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