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To my eye, the bowl looks in better shape on the top listing, particularly the rim.
The hallmarks look a bit crisper on listing 2 (maybe)?
Hard to tell, but the flame pattern seems different to me as well.
I'd say they're different, but I wouldn't bet a ham sandwich on it.

 

beefeater33

Lifer
Apr 14, 2014
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Definitely the same pipe..........

Methinks the game is afoot! Motive?

Profit is the motive..... the seller bought the pipe for a reasonable cost, restored it and is hoping to sell it for a profit. I see this all the time on e-bay, have done it a few times myself. Buy low, sell high.......... :puffy:

 
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beefeater33

Lifer
Apr 14, 2014
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So you think it has been topped, rather than is in "like new condition"?
Yep-

If you really study the pics you can tell. There is a light spot towards the top of the bowl(left side) visible in both pics. On the restored pic its a bit closer to the rim........drives my old eyes a bit buggy looking that close though....LOL!
I don't think the seller is being unfair though..... he does state this in his listing: "Every estate pipe we sell has been delicately reconditioned to bring it close to what it was like when new."

 
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I guess.. The disclaimer gets undone for me when they pull the "somehow survived in like-new condition." Those are conflicting statements.

 

sablebrush52

The Bard Of Barlings
Jun 15, 2013
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A Barling with a gold band is a pretty rare occurrence. A Barling with a model number from the 1920's is an extremely rare occurrence - I've only seen three. A Barling with a gold band, a model number and a Maturiar stamp - well it's a first for me and I've seen thousands of Barlings. Two such a few weeks apart? Both with Finlay stamps? Astronomical odds. And since the grain pattern is exactly the same, it's safe to say that it's the same pipe. Yes, it's been topped. The bowl height is visibly shorter. Dings have been removed. I have no issue with restoration. But saying that the pipe "has survived in like new condition" is misleading (I'm being polite here), given that it survived with a scorched and chipped rim, and number of dings and handling marks until a few weeks ago. This isn't survival, this is surgery.
As for the "original" stem? It's not original. The button shape is incorrect for the period. The original 1923 stem would have likely had an orific bit and the profile at the end would have been curved, not flat. Even if it was a rare for the period semi orific bit, it would have had a curved profile not a flat one. It could be a later replacement from Barling or from Felix the Cat. The pipe is significant enough without making up stories.
A line has been more than crossed, it's been erased. I find this disappointing because I have always thought of this seller as a straight arrow and have bought from him. No more.

 
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Sherlock award goes to you Jesse!
Great eye.

8O

:!:
And thanks for the info on the Maturiar,

along with your keen observations.
This kind of stuff is great,

and it's also a wonderful primer on why the serious collector must be very careful in the estate market,

especially if originality is of a primary concern.
Nowadays it seems many old, rare, and desirable pipes are being "modified" if that's a proper term to use.
The short turn-around time seems to indicate he was eager to get this on the "big market".
I think it's cool it's got the Finlay's stampings.
What would be the current market value for such a pipe?

Or are they too scarce to really pinpoint a monetary range?

Could the sky be the limit, considering the gold band?
I've bought from the seller before with no problems,

but sometimes I'm curious why the photos are in certain cases so minimal,

like why no nomenclature shot on this Parker?

ENGLISH ESTATE PIPE: PARKER 63 SUPER BRIAR BARK

I like to see stampings.

Not that it's a rare pipe or anything, and the shank looks curved instead of straight, an odd problem I've seen with a few lovats - I even have a Grp. 3 shape 81 BriarBark with a very curved shank and misdrill to boot, but it smokes great, go figure.
Anyway,

good sleuthing on your part!

 

buroak

Lifer
Jul 29, 2014
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+1 on the Sherlock award.
Something about this seller has always put me on guard. I guess my gut feeling was not wrong.
I wonder how high the reserve is set.

 

ssjones

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May 11, 2011
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That seller is Gary Malberg, member of the Philly Pipe Club. He's know for his Peterson expertise and is co-authoring the upcoming Peterson book with Mark Irwin.
That description is a little deceptive. He'll sell that one for $400 I bet.

 

pitchfork

Lifer
May 25, 2012
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I noticed the "coincidence," too, but hadn't gone back for a closer look. Thanks for posting this, Jesse.

 

sablebrush52

The Bard Of Barlings
Jun 15, 2013
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That seller is Gary Malberg, member of the Philly Pipe Club. He's know for his Peterson expertise and is co-authoring the upcoming Peterson book with Mark Irwin.
Yep, highly respected, but now not so much by me. It's good that he's working on a book. He's clearly good at spinning stories. Gery's listings tend to be visually sparse, but he's always been very forthcoming about details when asked for more. As I wrote, I'd always considered him one of the few real straight arrow sellers on eBay and that's now ended.
It's not likely to go to a knowledgeable collector unless he can get it on the cheap because of the stem. Wrong period for that button shape. On the original listing I was surprised by how clean the stem was on a pipe that had seen a bit of knocking about. But this is eBay, the land of dreams and cons, so some enthusiast, not very critical in his thinking, will buy the made up story and go for it.
I doubt that Gary will have set a reserve as low as $400. I'm thinking more like $500, and he might get it or more if the period collectors get into a bidding war. They don't give a damn about market values and overpay like crazy. Given that the Chinese stock market has been in free fall recently, losing trillions of dollars over a few weeks, that money throwing market may be dry for awhile.

 

sablebrush52

The Bard Of Barlings
Jun 15, 2013
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Jesse, my question is, was the Maturiar a line of pipes in the same way that the Forte was?
Yes, I guessing a grade, like special or guinea grain. Maturiar = mature briar. Maybe burl that they judged to be especially old, or longer seasoning, I don't know. It seems to have been a fairly short lived designation.

 
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sablebrush52

The Bard Of Barlings
Jun 15, 2013
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I think the Chinese market has affected eBay prices lately. A good time to be a buyer!
Perhaps. There's still a lot of money floating around. And with the Greek debt and Eurozone debt issues, might be an even better time to be a buyer next year, assuming you have any money. We're possibly moving toward "interesting times" yet again.

 
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