Question about Dunhill 2nd's

mhasman · Oct 31, 2014

Hello pipe smokers!

Question for you all how have any Dunhill Second pipes - what brand do you put on 1st, 2nd, 3rd place, which one do you like more - Savory's Argyll, Parker, Hardcastle? Usually all of them have similar shapes and model numbering, nomenclature.

Thanks!

mhasman · Oct 31, 2014

My personal favorite is old Savory with crown logo

dmcmtk · Oct 31, 2014

An interesting question, I'm curious as to what others have to say. I have examples of all three, and they are all fine smoking pipes.
Dave

papipeguy · Oct 31, 2014

I have a Savory's Semi-Matte billiard that I've been smoking for decades. A solid pipe that never lets me down.

tbradsim1 · Oct 31, 2014

Savorys are the best for me I have about 5 and they smoke better than some of my Dunhills.

dlgillen · Oct 31, 2014

My best smoker is a Parker Jockey Club

instymp · Oct 31, 2014

mhasman, do they sell them new. Sorry I can't help but will be watching your post.

mso489 · Oct 31, 2014

I admit I'm skeptical of Dunhill "seconds," if that is meant to suggest that they were carved as Dunhills and

then picked off the line and re-purposed. If there is any selecting out, I think it is at the level of the briar

itself. I have a Parker poker cherrywood that is a fine little smoker. Also a Britannia, an excellent smooth

Dublin and very light weight for its size; the Britannia-Dunhill connection is less clear, but I think there is

at least a contractual connection. The shapes of Parkers and Hardcastles have never struck me as similar

enough to Dunhill shapes to be true seconds, and the Britannia even less so. I didn't buy either of these

pipes thinking I was getting in on the Dunhill level of pipe, but they do a good job. Iwan Ries had some

great old Hardcastles with brass bands a few years ago, gone now, and I wish I had bought one, especially

inasmuch as they were about forty bucks.

lestrout · Oct 31, 2014

I'm with tBrad on Savory Argylls. One of them, a Prince, puffs sweeter than most of my Dunnies. And the stem shape of my 3 SA Princes is proper - I think the last few years of Dunny/White Spot Princes way overdid the bend in the stems.
hp

les

gregprince · Oct 31, 2014

I'm down with the old Savory's Argyll. Mine are great little smokers.

gregprince · Oct 31, 2014

My Savory Argylls are very comfortable, easy going old friends.

owen · Nov 1, 2014

An interesting thread as often pipes are sold on ebay as dunhill parker, dunhill hardcastle etc. It also raises broader questions about seconds and pipes made by one company for another.

misterlowercase · Nov 1, 2014

I've always favored Parker.
But I've got a big 286 Savory's blasted billy that smokes like a real champ,

and Savory's had the coolest boxes!

One thing I've never been able to find out about Savory's,

which stem logo was earlier,

the uppercase cursive S or the S-crown?

http://www.pipephil.eu/logos/en/logo-s3.html

Also,

add Tally Ho to the list...

briarfriar · Nov 1, 2014

Some of these brands, like Parker and Hardcastle, are not seconds. They are brands that Dunhill acquired.

mhasman · Nov 1, 2014

I called Parker and Hardcastle "Second" because old Parked bulldogs I have are 100% similar to old Dunhill bulldogs, with the same "Made In England" nomenclature and year numbering, the same size (4) and (3) symbol in circle. That makes me thinking those bulldogs did not pass Dunhill's quality control to get white dot, but root quality and final shape are good enough to be Parker. The same with few Hardcastles I owned.

misterlowercase · Nov 1, 2014

...100% similar to old Dunhill bulldogs, with the same "Made In England" nomenclature and year numbering, the same size (4) and (3) symbol in circle. That makes me thinking those bulldogs did not pass Dunhill's quality control to get white dot, but root quality and final shape are good enough to be Parker.

Indeed they are.
I was lucky enough to find myself a 1939 unsmoked Super Briar Bark...

The term that Dunhill used in-house for the stummels that didn't meet White Spot quality was "fallings".

: puffy

:

billypm · Nov 1, 2014

I have a couple of Hardcastles that I would put up against any pipe I've ever smoked. Think I'll start watching the Savory listings...

misterlowercase · Nov 2, 2014

Think I'll start watching the Savory listings...

Whatever you do,

don't go for the sandblasted Savory's,

they taste bitter and smoke poorly,

the smooths are much much better.

:!:

ravkesef · Nov 2, 2014

I have a Golden Parker Group 6 Panel that I got from a cousin. It's a great smoker, but it's a bit on the large side for me.

mso489 · Nov 2, 2014

Thanks coffeeman. The provenance of Britannia has always been a little unclear to me. They're out of the Dunhill

camp then. Cup O Joes says something like they are made by the largest pipe maker in London, so maybe it's by

volume of production or some other measure.

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