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bassbug

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Since I've started smoking a pipe, I now seem to see them in a lot more places. The other night, being a western movie fan, I watched "The good the bad and the ugly", which, as many probably know features Lee Van Cleef in the role of "The Bad" and there a few scenes in which he smokes what appears to be a Peterson system pipe.
Only problem is, the movie is set in the civil war, which ended in 1865 while the first system pipes did not show up till 1890 (at least that's when the patent was issued)
Does anyone else have any movie or TV pipe scenes that are wrong?

 

pagan

Lifer
May 6, 2016
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You could be right

west_cleef.jpg


 

jabo

Can't Leave
Jan 26, 2016
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I noticed the same thing. It was a Peterson.I watch for all kinda blooms on films. Makes some of em worth watching !

 

mortonbriar

Lifer
Oct 25, 2013
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Also you can tell by the shape and density of the smoke that the tobacco being smoked is totally just a mid 1960's OTC generic blend!
:nana:

 

jabo

Can't Leave
Jan 26, 2016
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I don't have eneough room here !one: war films all Tiger tanks are Russian T34 modified. There's a marked difference in the drive train. I still got a bucket full. Ha ha

 

bassbug

Lifer
Dec 29, 2016
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I think that's mostly because there's only one operational Tiger in the world
That and the fact that they made about 80,000 T34s....LOL
Late additional edit: Its also a lot easier to make a T34 look like a Tiger than to do it with a Sherman

 
There was a mini-series a couple of years ago, historical fiction, about the gold rush in Alaska, that had these guys living off the wilderness, and smoking Missouri Meerschaums, with the chewy black stems. They were obviously straight out of the package. They didn't try to make the pipes look homemade at all.

 

bassbug

Lifer
Dec 29, 2016
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Tiger 131 was captured in Tunisia by the Brits and transported back to England. story (legend?) has it that after hearing that Sherman tank crews were terrified of the Tiger, and not wanting it to gain an even more mythical standing, Churchill ordered that a tiger captured and inspected. Although Tiger 131 was knocked out by a shell, it was not too badly damaged and now is on display at the Bovington Museum and is the only operational Tiger tank in the world.
And that's your trivia for the day...now back to pipe bloopers :)

 

mso489

Lifer
Feb 21, 2013
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I think the spaghetti Western has much latitude for poetic license. It's not a historical paper. But it is fun to spot the errors. A late friend of mine was an vastly experienced bird watcher (really much of it is done by ear, and he could identify birds of Europe, Asia, etc. etc.). He couldn't watch a movie with bird calls of any kind on the sound track without noticing the error in habitat, season, ecology, etc. I wouldn't even have thought about any of this. Same thing with Civil War buffs. You can't make them happy. Any detail is wrong. A Civil War buff friend of mine pointed out that the Southern accents in "Gettysburg," the dramatization with Martin Sheen as Robert E. Lee, had the Southern accents much exaggerated since the heavy Southern accent didn't emerge until the South became poorer and more isolated after the Civil War.

 

warren

Lifer
Sep 13, 2013
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The boots the actors wore were lefts and rights. Hardly the style of the 1860s. Holsters and other leather gear were hardly period either. Belts full of brass and lead. I think Sergio Leone was less interested in historical accuracy than making a movie which would generate profits.
Was Robert Young's pipe ever lit? A Few Dollars More? Precolored meer? The calabash in Rathbone's portrayal of Holmes? I think not! Then again, the pipes are just props. De Nero and a cob was a great stroke.

 
Jan 8, 2013
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Could that pipe that Lee Van Cleef is smoking in The Good The Bad & The Ugly be a WDC Wellington? The WDC company was established in 1862.
I'm not an expert, but the WDC Wellingtons I've seen, although similar to Petersons, seem to have more of a flair in their stems, like the one in the above photo of Van Cleef. Here's a photo I found from Reborn Pipes.
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hooboy

Starting to Get Obsessed
Just noticed this about lee Van Cleef ...a bit of trivia ..
Van Cleef had a son that was a professor at the University of Ga. while my youngest

daughter was enrolled .

she told me that someone once asked the son what he tough about when his father was

always cast as a villan

The son replied he had never saw one of those for him he was always my idol and hero in ever role!

hooboy

 

mso489

Lifer
Feb 21, 2013
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Any movie prop man or woman worth their salt should by now know about Old Dominion corn cob pipes from Virginia. These have reed stems and would be a reasonable approximation for cob pipes from the U.S. 1800's. To momentarily empathize with movie companies, productions are most often mayhem involving dozens to hundreds of people, and after months of preparation, a lot of the decisions are made in a mad confused rush in forty-five minutes. Usually there are numerous big egos badgering everyone else, and lots of sensitive artistic people as well, so the fact that any scene comes across as convincing is a small miracle. The reason that some small productions done by just a few people are so good is that they still have focus and control and aren't addled into irrationality. Add to this the fact that actors who really know how to smoke a pipe, or anything about tobacco pipes, are almost nonexistent.
Re. the Van Cleef son's comment, I can see the validity. We all need parents right on through life, and we need the parents we want, so we forgive and deny as necessary. This should reassure parents, especially those going through teenage with their kids who, for a time, can see nothing good about their parents and are embarrassed to be seen with or near them. Still, it would have been good if Lee's son could have seen the mastery in his dad's work of the villain roles. Often, villains make the drama, and he certainly added greatly to Clint's career. I remember a scene where Van Cleef is eating, and it emotes rage in the process. Amazing.

 

JimInks

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I remember an episode of M*A*S*H* where Radar was reading comic books published in the mid-1960s. That was a bad error.

 
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