Moonshine Pipes statement on the FDA and pipe regulation
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My understanding from reading the regulations and watching the FDA webinar is that pipes are considered to be instruments but will not carry warning labels. Something made of wood/mineral/plastic/rubber etc and has no constituent tobacco properties. So, I guess I beg to differ with the gentleman's interpretation.
I'm not sure what to think but just in case I've loaded up on a dozen MM pipes recently. Papipeguy, I wouldn't take too much stock in what the FDA said in their webinair. Afterall, "if you like your insurance carrier you can keep your insurance carrier".
Their regulatory control extends to pipes, so who knows what they'll do. The application and deeming process isn't for pipes, it's for tobacco, so 'regulated the same way tobacco will be' doesn't even mean anything.
They've said their control extends to pipes - No specifics on what that means. The August 8th date, though, means nothing for pipes, though, far as I can figure.
They've said their control extends to pipes - No specifics on what that means. The August 8th date, though, means nothing for pipes, though, far as I can figure.
Last update I saw, it covered pipes, pipe racks, pouches, tobacco, but not cleaners and lighters.
As much of a hassle as it is, this FDA interference, I am not concerned. I have said it before, the FDA can be bought. They are in this for money, not health reasons. Sugar, among other unhealthy food ingredients, are still listed on their GRAS (generally recognized as safe) list. They still claim that sugar does not cause diabetes and that fat and cholesterol are the culprit. They say this because the sugar industry has paid them major $$$$.
Also, I finished my cellar last year, so not having new tobacco to try will remove temptation :twisted:
Also, I finished my cellar last year, so not having new tobacco to try will remove temptation :twisted:
I've read through the entire document. There is a placeholder for pipes being deemed, but it does not appear they've chosen to execute it at this time. Does it worry me, yes. What can we do about it?
We are a minority and even Rocky Patel and his crew couldn't even get the FDA to listen one ounce of sense.
I'm not rolling over, but all of this outrage from us on message boards still does nothing but fuel the fear.
I just got very invested in pipe making as a hobby, so this concerns me to the fullest! A lot of expensive equipment will become obsoleted at my place if I can no longer make pipes!
We are a minority and even Rocky Patel and his crew couldn't even get the FDA to listen one ounce of sense.
I'm not rolling over, but all of this outrage from us on message boards still does nothing but fuel the fear.
I just got very invested in pipe making as a hobby, so this concerns me to the fullest! A lot of expensive equipment will become obsoleted at my place if I can no longer make pipes!
If that happens, I see a booming underground "word or mouth" pipe maker movement. Contacting the carvers privately and buying under the FDA radar. They won't be able to track everything.
Some people buy pipes as art and never smoke them. How can you keep that from happening?
Some people buy pipes as art and never smoke them. How can you keep that from happening?
Is this really what we want ADF or whatever law enforcement to be spending their time and money on? Tracking down black market Savinelli's? Say they're weed pipes and carry on. Very depressing micromanagement of a micro population. I sense the prohibiting of argyle socks, enforced by a SWAT team, on the horizon. Laws forbidding pocket watches. Forbidding the eating of anchovies. Outlawing jock itch powder. What's next?
I've been signing petitions and notifying Senators/Representatives. That's all us consumers can really do.
I hope Congress realizes how detrimental and unnecessary these regulations are and does something to fix the situation for our benefit.
Very sad to see Moonshine Pipes go if it comes to that. Johnathan is a great guy who makes some amazing pipes. He should be able to continue making them as long as he wants.
I hope Congress realizes how detrimental and unnecessary these regulations are and does something to fix the situation for our benefit.
Very sad to see Moonshine Pipes go if it comes to that. Johnathan is a great guy who makes some amazing pipes. He should be able to continue making them as long as he wants.
I already see this. People are growing, curing and trading their own tobacco on a word-of-mouth basis. They'll do the same with pipes.
Just like the internet, humanity routes around obstacles.
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