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ltstone

Part of the Furniture Now
Dec 30, 2015
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I have been smoking some Briarworks Country Lawyer and G.L Pease KeyLargo lately and its amazing how much the flavor changes the further down the bowl. Country Lawyer starts out mellow, smooth dark fired forward at first and towards the bottom the cigar leaf and other smokey flavors really kick in and dominate. Anyone know the science behind this?

 

shutterbugg

Lifer
Nov 18, 2013
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Yes. All the smoke, and thus the tars and byproducts of combustion, passes through the tobacco on it's way to the smoker. Basically the bowlful acts as a progressive filter. By the time you get halfway down, the tobacco is coated with all sorts of crap, and by the time you hit the last third and below, it's literally loaded with crap. So it's pretty easy to see why it tastes different. To me it starts getting funky midway, and by the bottom third it's like smoking a wet gym sock.

 

cigrmaster

Lifer
May 26, 2012
20,249
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Sarasota Florida
I love the flavors of my pipe the lower the bowl gets. By the time I am at the bottom I am chasing the flavors to the point where I have to be careful not too suck in a mouthful of hot ash. It is a rare thing where the flavors don't keep getting better and better the lower I go.

 

shutterbugg

Lifer
Nov 18, 2013
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If it's wet and crappy, your tobacco is too wet going in. Full stop.
The bottom third of the tobacco traps all the tars. If you want to smoke that crap, have at it. I'm not that cheap. And I didn't say the tobacco was wet, I said it tasted like a wet gym sock.

 

jpmcwjr

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May 12, 2015
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Whatever. If it tastes bad, it's too wet to start with. No inference as to you being "cheap".
Many- perhaps most here- find good smoking all the way through a bowl. Months ago I asked if you would try, as an experiment, properly drying down your tobacco to see if that made a difference. Crickets.

 
May 4, 2015
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I also don't like the bottom of the bowl. I don't think it has much to do with the moisture - that last 1/4 has been through a lot and it doesn't taste the same as the top 3/4.
It rarely gets better, and at a minimum doesn't taste the same. For me.
Virginias I can smoke all the way usually. Englishes, no. Aromatics, definitely no.

 

hawky454

Lifer
Feb 11, 2016
5,338
10,221
Austin, TX
Sounds like some of you need those lil Nording pipe rocks at the bottom of you're bowl. My bowls get better and fuller all the way down.

 

lestrout

Lifer
Jan 28, 2010
1,766
312
Chester County, PA
To me the mark of a really high quality blend is that it allows me to enjoy puffing all the way down to the proverbial fine white ash. Also outright combustion is what is needed to get the bowl into action. The chemicals that provide the tastes are essentially products of the pyrolysis and stoving from the periphery of the cherry. I reckon that the temperature and quantity of the hot zone affects the specific chemicals issuing from the tobaccos, hence the variation in tastes when I change my puffing cadence and intensity.
The progressive filtering does affect the tastes, since the composition of what is being burned, pyrolyzed and stoved (and toasted) is constantly changing.
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shutterbugg

Lifer
Nov 18, 2013
1,451
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Whatever. If it tastes bad, it's too wet to start with. No inference as to you being "cheap".
Many- perhaps most here- find good smoking all the way through a bowl. Months ago I asked if you would try, as an experiment, properly drying down your tobacco to see if that made a difference. Crickets.
Been smoking a pipe over 40 years, I know wet from dry. I've smoked tobacco in various states of moisture from so wet it holds together when you pinch it, to so dry it's crunchy and turns to powder if you pinch it. It all tastes like crap by the bottom third, for the same reason a cigar tastes like crap in the last inch. In the bottom third of a pipe you're smoking half tobacco half tars and ash from the top two thirds. If you like that taste, great, enjoy. But just because you do and others don't doesn't mean they're doing something wrong. However I suspect of the people who claim they like the smoke all the way down, many really don't but are ashamed to admit it because of peer pressure.

 

lawmax3

Can't Leave
Jan 18, 2013
405
12
Generally I prefer the last 2/3 of a bowl. The flavors are bolder and stronger and that's what I like. I usually smoke the first third of the bowl and put the pipe aside for a few hours. The flavor is much improved especially with Virginia based blends. Peer pressure or price have nothing to do with it for me.

 

tmb152

Can't Leave
Apr 26, 2016
392
5
Many- perhaps most here- find good smoking all the way through a bowl.
I may find good smoking all the way down or half way down. If it goes bad part way down, often if I break it away from the side wall a bit or let it rest a little, then light it again, it improves greatly and smokes further.
Virginias seem to stove as I smoke them. They get softer and smoother and sweeter.
This goes in hand with what I was going to say on another thread about lighting. Some people don't think it necessary to go through a singe and a sear light (giving it a several minute rest afterwards), but I read something once about it setting up the sugars, allows starches to convert to sugars, maybe through a process called decarboxilization (something I need to read up further on), and there seems to be something to it. Whether by heat or drying or both, this seems to set the tobacco up for better flavor and better burning. Seems to work for me since I began doing it.
As to pipe rocks, I wonder if this at all works like one pipe I have made by Combusto, which has a thread in metal plug at the bottom?
As to the bottom of the bowl, I agree, the very bottom is never great, how close you get to it before things go south depends on many things from the tobacco, the pack, the pipe, to how you smoke it. But I try to get at least 3/4ths of the bowl smoked and leave a little at the bottom to have soaked up as much tar as possible.

 

cigrmaster

Lifer
May 26, 2012
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Sarasota Florida
The bottom third of the tobacco traps all the tars. If you want to smoke that crap, have at it. I'm not that cheap. And I didn't say the tobacco was wet, I said it tasted like a wet gym sock.
However I suspect of the people who claim they like the smoke all the way down, many really don't but are ashamed to admit it because of peer pressure.
shutterbug, lolol that has to be one of the worst generalizations I have read in a long time. Yes we all are lying about smoking to the bottom so we can be the cool guys. lol I think after almost 20 years of pipe smoking I know what I like and when I smoke my flakes in my nice artisan pipes to the bottom I am doing it so I don't waste tobacco. lolol

 

mcitinner1

Lifer
Apr 5, 2014
4,043
24
Missouri
I know what I like and when I smoke my flakes in my nice artisan pipes to the bottom I am doing it so I don't waste tobacco.
Pshaw! Dadgumit! I'm sceerd ya'll whippersnappers gonna dis me every time I waste a little dumpage, and it SHAMES me to think of it!

 
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