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H&H Anniversary Kake Question

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  1. jah76

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    Hello. I've got a question for you AnniKake smokers. I'm stating the following in case it matters on the age at the time it was tinned.

    I opened up some of my Anniversary Kake and it was EXTREMELY moist. Like I could have squeezed it together and gotten juice if I pressed it hard enough (well almost). So I set some of out to dry for a few hours. I'm guessing it was newly made, I've never gotten tobacco that wet. It smoked really well after it was dried, but I found there's a "wine" taste that sort of covers my mouth. It isn't unpleasant but I felt like it hampered the overall taste and it's not something I'd purchase again. It's almost got a chocolate component to it. (I've smoked about 2 ozs of the stuff at this time.) I jarred about 14 oz of it to see if it would go away.

    So my rambling question to you, is in your experience with it, did you get that same almost cloying taste on your batch? And is it something you think will go away after some years time? I can't add it to my cellar list yet because of that nagging taste.

    I tend to prefer my VaPers either sweet/grassy/peppery or lightly citrus/mildly peppery. Again I liked the AK, but it feels topped with something too heavy and I'm hoping that will go away with time. I realize everyone's tastes are different but has anyone found this to be the case? Thanks.

    TLDR: Does the wine taste in AnniKake go away with time?

    Posted 1 year ago #
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    You bought a pound of it without knowing what it tastes like? lol You re-define the leap of faith jah76.

    I get the same cloying mouth feeling that you do. But I enjoyed it. It was very fruity, earthy, fig newton flavored, spiced apple.

    Not sure if it goes away with time either. Havn't smoked mine in a few months.

    Mine also arrived very moist. And since most of H&H's blends arrive pretty dry this had me scratching my head. but I remembered reading a while ago that Perique loses some of it's flavor if dried out too much. So I attributed it to that.

    I'll smoke a bowl today and get back to you if I can remember lol.

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    That's what happens when the 2 oz tins are all sold out!

    So yeah. I bought 16 ozs. It was cheap. That's my only defense!

    I was in cellar mode.

    Posted 1 year ago #
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    I ordered a 2 oz tin, and I swear even after days of leaving the lid cracked, it was still moist! It arrives verrrry wet. It is pretty different for a va/per. Very sweet, and smooth. I like the taste a lot, but it is was different from anything else i've had. (The H&H Burley Kake is kind of similar)

    I will try some again and report back. Mine has been jarred for a few months now.

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    I knew it would arrive very moist. A friend here, Jim, gave this top marks during our extended discussion of Heath & Home blends. Since his tastes are quite similar to mine (he does like Perqiue more than I do though), Anni Kake was one of the bulk blends I snagged during under the December P&C H&H 20% off sale.

    I like it very much. Even though I thought I knew what to expect, I was quite surprised with everything about it -- the moisture, the way it looked and yes, especially how it tastes! It does take a while to dry -- as every says, but found it quite unique, for a Va/Per.

    I, too, got a pound of it, without tasting it first, and very happy I did.

    I broke up the broken flake a bit, let it sit for about 30 minutes, no more, then jarred all of it except an ounce to smoke right away. I'm a one trick pony -- I've always jarred my tobacco pretty much as it comes to me.

    I have every confidence my Anniversary Kake will age exceptionally well and fantastic in a year or two.

    Posted 1 year ago #
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    The reasons for the moistness are these- the rum flavoring, though light, adds to the moisture; it's pressed while moist to help it stay pressed so the moisture is trapped; and, yes, a little extra moisture is needed to keep the Perique from fading.

    Russ

    Posted 1 year ago #
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    I bought a pound of the bulk and it was very wet, have 2 tins coming so I guess I can expect the same. I was thinking the tin would be a little dryer, but those are going in for ageing and smoking the bulk. The old buy one to smoke and one to age.

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    I'd be concerned about aging tins of Anni Kake.

    I've had a problem with another blend of H&H (2 oz. tin) 6-8 months ago being rusted on the whole tin's inside bottom upon opening. Luckily, I caught it right away and took the tobacco all out of the tin and smoked the whole thing.

    If I'd aged it though, it would not have had a happy ending.

    I contacted P&C, but Russ was out sick at the time. I asked him about it in a reply to one of his articles here some time later.

    Russ told me the company contracted to "can" H&H tobacco was at fault and that comapny now aware of this and the problem was being corrected. I had suggest he look into the use of paper liners, similar to C&D and GLP.

    I have 4-5 8 ounce tins of H&H aging now that I don't plan to open for a year or three (my Anni Kake was bulk). I'm hoping all will be OK in Rothy land when I pop them.

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    I had a similar experience with a tin of Lousianna Red. Not rust, but much of the tobacco was plastered and stuck to the botton of the tin. It looked as if it was starting to oxidize or something.

    No problems with any other tin though.

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    I jar anything in large containers and of course bulk, open tins get small jarred. I'm thinking about jarring all 50 gram tins if it's for long term storage, more oxygen when first sealed means more anaerobic activity and faster ageing. Still thinking about it… I do believe that AK is going to do something special

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    That's great Craig. I was worried you got the Anni Kake tins to age in the tin.

    Come to think of it, I probably should jar those other blends of H&H 8 ounce cans I have in the cellar...

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    I wouldn't describe mine as moist ; but is was very soft. Smoked great and delicious.

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    I really appreciate the response Russ. I'm going to pop that bad boy out and give it another go in a few months. (It's like mailing your future self a birthday present from the past)

    Appreciate the responses from everyone else too. That's a good note on aging the tin vs jar.

    Okay let me hijack my own thread....

    Does re-hydrated perique regain it's fullness? Or is it a case of once it's lessened, it's forever lessened?

    Thanks in advance.

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    Does re-hydrated perique regain it's fullness? Or is it a case of once it's lessened, it's forever lessened?

    I've not tasted a 5 or 10 year aged perique. There is claim that it's a certain type of tobacco, you can buy a seed called perique tobacco, but most think it's just the process. So if that's the case you're looking at a VA curing. So my assumption would be that the casing would mellow with the VA. I can see an argument that the casing would stand separate, but even then it's going to blend with the other VA's.

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    Does re-hydrated perique regain it's fullness?

    No.

    The point here being when moist, Perique holds it's own better.

    We need to remember that the master blender is creating the pipe tobacco blend to smoke now; that is the focus -- whether it ages well is not of any immediate importance -- how does it taste and perform NOW?

    FWIW, aged Perique does soften with age but doesn't get nearly as mellowed as, say, latakia does after 10 years.

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