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Gawith Hoggarth Rum Flake

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  1. woodsroad

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    A while back I bought a bit of Rum Flake, based mostly on the name. This afternoon I settled in for a late-day pipe and, much to my dismay, discovered that this stuff is contaminated polluted gently imbued with Lakeland. I detect no rum. Nor do I taste any tobacco, although I know that it's in there.

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    Please Dan, tell us how you REALLY feel about it.

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    I am glad that I never pulled the trigger on that!

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    GH & SG make the only good pipe tobacco in the world. It's a little meh to see a guy who is pushing repackaged lane ltd complain about such a high quality blend.

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    Well, there is always that Bob's Chocolate Vietnamese Pig Tailed Macaque Poo if you want something to complain about

    Be that as it may, it probably never was...
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    Well played David

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    GH & SG make the only good pipe tobacco in the world

    ROFLMAO

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    @ pipeman... I would agree with you that SG and GH make some high quality blends, EXCEPT for the GH blends that AREN'T scented, but are still contaminated with scent. There are several. They are not the ONLY good manufacturers to boot.

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    GH & SG make the only good pipe tobacco in the world. It's a little meh to see a guy who is pushing repackaged lane ltd complain about such a high quality blend.
    HHMMMmmmmm, now that's a little harsh.Now, lets compare that to the blends you have come up with....

    "the weez"...
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    We really need to examine someone who uses a word of dubious origin such as "meh" regardless of its ubiquity. When having sex does one call out the Creator these days or simply scream OMG? I ask you

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    There are lots of GH/SG blends that I love and praise. This ain't one of them. If the label said "High Quality Tobacco Without Rum, Tainted With Perfume", I would have had to say they did a great job on it.

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    It is a scented flake. The flavor does vary by the batch in my experiences. I've had tins that taste like a wet rum cake with strong rum, licorice & vanilla flavors. I've got 500g gram boxes bought fresh and jarred sitting around with no discernable flavor. Rum Flake doesn't usually have a strong floral flavor. But buying a scented Gawith Hoggarth flake and complaining that it has a floral taste is like buying Captain Black and complaining it has no taste

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    ^^ OK, shit. I agree with this

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    "It's a little meh to see a guy who is pushing repackaged lane ltd complain about such a high quality blend."

    The way I see it Dan was merely passing on his thoughts on a particular blend which is precisely what this forum is for.

    Your response was more than harsh, it was downright rude and unnecessary.

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    ^^^ Ditto

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    Double ditto

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    Thanks guys.

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    Well I think Rum Flake is wellgood....decent nic hit too.

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    I have a tin from 2004 that I thought was sealed. All this talk prompted me to pull it. Of course, I found it open with tobacco missing. Dry, but still has that rum/vanilla aroma. It smokes very well with a pleasant room note.
    Mike S.

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    Mike, that's amazing that it still had the rum aroma. The stuff thst I got had no rum, even when fresh and damp.

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    Over the years I’ve moticed big swings from batch to batch in Gawith&Hoggarth tobaccos. Bob’s Flake can be radically different year to year.

    Mike S.

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    gently imbued with Lakeland

    "Gently imbued with Uranium"

    "Gently imbued with VX gas"

    "Gently imbued with HIV"

    Yep, it's one of those things.

    I think they just spray the stuff around the factory, to be honest. I've had a few blends like Best Brown No. 4 which had a Lakeland-ish flavor on the cut ends, which makes me think they're using a cleaver dipped in the stuff.

    Imagine a serial killer who had weapons soaked in Lakeland essence. The worst way to die, smelling the knife as it comes at you...

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    DM, I'm detecting a common theme in your posts of late.

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    I was contemplating GH's Vanilla of late, as I was curious about Vanilla aromatics, but I also wanted some nicotine in my smoke as well, the problem with getting just a couple of oz's of a GH blend is that the samples are inconsistent. Sometimes I order Dark Flake unscented and it has no Lakeland at all and sometimes I wonder if they have confused it with the scented, same with their Curley Cuts, which is supposed to not have any Lakeland. Maybe they guy packing the stuff has just handled another Lakeland just before packing my order, or maybe they store all of the GH blends together in a corner which taints all of them. I now just order a whole box at a time, in hopes of preventing the taint.

    Thanks Woods, for the review. While I didn't see your review as an unnecessary slam on the Flake, it is nice to know whether someone tastes that Lakeland taste ina blend, so that those of us who don't like the Lakeland flavor can avoid it. And, of someone likes the Lakeland flavors, maybe they'd be turned on by the review. I see posts like these as very helpful.

    Michael
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    the problem with getting just a couple of oz's of a GH blend is that the samples are inconsistent.

    To put it mildly!

    Still, some of the best leaf of out... when one can dodge the dreaded Lakeland Essence.

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    I was hooked on blends with a VA base instead of burley, so I don't smoke American OTC burley; still, most do, and you can't say that the Lakeland houses' tobacco are any better.

    C&D puts up their any tobaccos as well as those of GL Pease and Hermit. So these are inferior? Standard Tobacco's?

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    Just go the whole hog and get some Ennerdale flake.

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    Saltedplug, I've read your post five times and still have no idea what you are saying.

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    GH & SG make the only good pipe tobacco in the world.

    I refuse to buy any crap from GH. All of their shitty tobacco is poisoned with Lakeland even blends that aren't supposed to have it are infected.

    SG on the other hand has some decent blends.

    "These are ghosts that are more at home in a girdle-filled drawer than one of my pipes." Quote by Neil Archer Roan on lakeland ghosts
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    Bit harsh Fitzy.....all subjective yer know!

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    refuse to buy any crap from GH

    This is how I feel about all tobacco except GH & SG. I can't smoke of any of it, sutliff, lane, c&d, glp...seriously hate all that stuff it is UNSMOKEABLE. Of course it makes sense that only one town in the world makes good pipe tobacco since they are using the oldest functioning machinery in use the world

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    "they are using the oldest functioning machinery in use the world"

    Not true. The GH plant is now turning out both SG and GH product. I think thst it's a fairly modern plant. That old SG press was for show, and now it's part of a museum display.

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    Kimbiker that lakeland stuff is like smoking my grandmothers floral soaps from when she was a live 20 years ago.

    Pipeman. You're smoking the wrong stuff. I'm not fond of Sutliff or Lane(I've yet to try Sutliff virginia slices though). There's one GLP blend I've found I like.

    But there are a great number of other brands with great product these are some that come to mind:
    McClelland
    Hearth & Home (Manufactured by Sutliff for H&H)
    Friborg & Treyer
    Butera
    Esoterica
    Daughters & Ryan
    Peter Stokkebye
    Germain
    McConnell
    Rattray's

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    I think it's hilarious when people argue about a totally subjective thing like tobacco flavors. You may as well argue Pepsi vs Coke. This coming from a Lakeland smoker, but a Mixture 79 basher.

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    I'm not fond of Sutliff or Lane(I've yet to try Sutliff virginia slices though).
    Sorry fitzy we must be living in some alternative dimension because that stuff is not that great. I get it, most of the population just has really bad taste, I've come to accept it now.

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    Wow. Not seen Germain tobacco poo-poo'd before. I've not had enough GH to comment on consistency, but I've liked what I've tried... Even Ennerdale.

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    I like a lot from SG/GH, but am deathly afraid of the Lakeland Essence.

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    I’ve been smoking off a sample of Coniston Cut Plug unscented, and it’s loaded with Lakeland.

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    "I get it, most of the population just has really bad taste, I've come to accept it now."

    On the other hand it could just be you. Just because folks don't adore the blends that you do doesn't mean they have bad taste, it just means they have different tastes.

    Regards,

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    @ pipeman

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    pipeman, I find things like that true for other things also. For example, I am the most beautiful, studly man in the world; however, all of these dimwitted women just have poor taste.

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    I am a huge fan of the malty/sweet/bready flavors of this tobacco and am often disappointed when I get a batch with no lakeland flavor. To me the perfect blend of complimentary flavors. If you don't like the "lakeland" floral though I understand how this one might be a turn-off

    "Once you go down the Lakeland path, forever will it dominate your destiny."
    -Apologies to Master Yoda
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    Wow Just wow I just read this thread for the first time and... wow I just couldn't help but laugh. GH is the only brand worth smoking... the rest of us suck for not smoking it! That's basically what I got from it. Pipeman, surely you haven't tried C&D's Black Frigate (and the eyerolling from everyone else to begins... sorry guys but I love the stuff )It's a great Balkan/English/Aro/Non-Aro/Piratey Blend. No floral-ish or girly bath soapiness flavors added to it though. It's just rummy and sort of smokey, and well.... piratey! You should give it a try!

    Arrrrr, shiver me timbers! International Talk Like a Pirate Day is September the 19th!!!
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    I like my Sutliff Virginia Slices thanks.

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    No floral-ish or girly bath soapiness flavors added to it though

    cornell & diehl blends taste like floor scraps. the only place they know how to make good pipe tobacco is Kendal. it's not the most ridiculous assertion considering they are the only ones using 200 year old machines.

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    Well, that explains the taste. Rust and old grease.

    Damnation seize my soul if I give you quarters, or take any from you.
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    cornell & diehl blends taste like floor scraps.
    Which explains why they keep pumping out new blends. They suck so much people are buying their blends out of sympathy... they really just want them to do well so they throw their money at their sucky blends! Hahahaa that's rich!

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    like I said it's no surprise these brands are popular.

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    Again, SG/GH is not using 200 year old equipment. And besides, equipment doesn't impart taste. Tobacco imparts taste. Tobacco from a new press tastes the same as tobacco from an old press.

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    Again, SG/GH is not using 200 year old equipment. And besides, equipment doesn't impart taste. Tobacco imparts taste. Tobacco from a new press tastes the same as tobacco from an old press.

    you're missing the entire point. and yes, SG and GH are using 200 year old equipment. In fact they have the oldest machinery still in operation in the world. Equipment might not impart taste, it's the entire process though obviously. the ingredients, the recipes, the methods, etc.

    no offense intended to anyone but this isn't like when you start a tobacco company to sell repackaged sutliff bulks. Sam Gawith & GH have been around for hundreds of years and and they are small operation, being made the same way for hundreds of years. somethings are just forgotten over time. pipe tobacco is one of them. except for sam gawith, and gawith & hoggarth. it's not just the equipment

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    I like Lakelands

    Only it usually takes a weeks worth of Old Joe Krantz to smoke the ghost of Tonquin Bean from out my mouth. Rum Flake is good, it has the same flavor as the Rum Twist, maybe a tad bit more floral essences. Anyway all the fuss about machinery is about stupid. Either you like something or you don't. Everybody has an opinion, everybody also has an asshole. It's better to give the opinion and allow the asshole to continue being the asshole.

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    By the way, I've been guilty of being an asshole. So that's me included. No bully pulpit here.

    Has any one smoked C&D Riverboat Gambler?

    It's not rum flake but it's good. Just trying out a different conversation.

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    It's better to give the opinion and allow the asshole to continue being the asshole.


    Yeah, I've been guilty of that as well.
    Most of the time, I find it difficult to convey my silly self-deprecating humor in this format, and end up coming off as a bit of a bombastic jerk instead of the goofball I come off as in real life

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    For what it's worth, Gawith Hoggarth manufactures it's products in an industrial park, next to Momma's Foods and a motorcycle repair shop.

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    For what it's worth, Gawith Hoggarth manufactures it's products in an industrial park, next to Momma's Foods and a motorcycle repair shop

    Yeah, but is it produced by a motorcycle momma? That would be cool

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    Not sure, but I hear that Mamma's Foods offers "Lakeland Lasagne" and "Floral French Fries".

    And here's another little tidbit I dug up while nosing around the interwebs: Samuel Gawith was in precarious financial health when they merged with Gawith Hoggarth.

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    @perdurabo I love a perfect asshole story... uh I mean, a story about a perfect asshole? Oh, you know what I mean.

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    Dan, I'm sure their precarious financial affairs could be boosted big time if they were to get more of their blends into the States. By all accounts folks over the pond are screaming for them.

    Regards,

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    Not sure, but I hear that Mamma's Foods offers "Lakeland Lasagne" and "Floral French Fries".
    And here's another little tidbit I dug up while nosing around the interwebs: Samuel Gawith was in precarious financial health when they merged with Gawith Hoggarth.

    Yea I just really hope SG doesn't go under and somebody buys the name FVF and tries to sell a lane virginia flake under that banner. that would be really sad.

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    This thread has me questioning whether I'm smoking the right tobacco

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    You're still here then Pipeman

    Regards,

    Jay.

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    Jay, I'd love to know more about the inner machinations of SG. Their Board of Directors was quite aged, and they seemed to be just squeaking along. I'm guessing that with the large numbers of SKUs on their books, it was difficult to produce any one item in quantity. So they are calling the union with GH a merger, but I wonder what it really is? It looks like most if not all of the SG directors resigned. I'll have to look and see if any of them showed up at GH.

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    Still confused about why Germain's wouldn't qualify as "good," based on your criteria @pipeman7?

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    I didn't really shit on Germain's, I would say they are better than everything else, but not as good as Kendal tobacco. I like plumcake but I would say Rum Flake is way better

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