Cavendish Uses

mso489 · May 28, 2019

Cavendish is interesting. It's a process, not a leaf. I associate it as a condiment tobacco often used to build the volume of smoke with other tobaccos. It is also a standard base for aromatic flavors. I think some smoke it unflavored by itself as a mild "all day" regular smoke. There is a sort of sub-set of blends of both dark and gold Cavendish leaf. Is there more to know about Cavendish? I enjoy its presence when it shows up in blends, not too often, but it isn't often discussed or featured by itself. I'd like to learn a little more about it. The name suggests it is Scottish in origin, but is this true?

anthonyrosenthal74 · May 28, 2019

Unflavored Black Cavendish (which we normally think of when mentioned) is the unsung hero of many blends. It can cool down an otherwise hot smoking blend, reduces the sharpness of Virginias, mellows strong oriental or english blends, while adding a touch of sweetness, and adding volume to the smoke.

mso489 · May 28, 2019

If you make your own mixtures, some unflavored black Cavendish is always a nice condiment to bring up the volume of smoke a little, and impart the other virtues mentioned by anthony.

workman · May 28, 2019

I think there are several different types of cavendish, and I can't tell the difference between them. For some reason, all the blends with cavendish I have smoked, I have found either dull and flavorless (MM 965) or sort of shallow (Mac Baren Club Blend, Rattray's Marlin Flake). Not my favorite leaf.

judcole · May 30, 2019

A quick web search does not show much about the origins of the process.

The first person by that name who came up when I searched on the name was Henry Cavendish, the 18th Century English chemist who discovered hydrogen. The surname of the Dukes of Devonshire is Cavendish, so the name is English, not Scottish.

I like some blends that feature cavendish (PS Natural Dutch Cavendish), and dislike others (965). : puffy

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mso489 · May 30, 2019

This thread illustrates 965 won't be missed by everyone. I enjoyed it, but I'm not in mourning.

hawky454 · May 30, 2019

I would like to know more about Cavendish as well. I know the basics but I’d like to know more about the varieties. It’s my understanding that the Cavendish in 965 is not like our typical American black Cavendish and is considered a brown Cavendish. I think you can essentially make Cavendish from any leaf, be it, VA or Burley but I would love to get Russ O. on here to talk more about it. I am another one that is not too fond of 965, it’s just kind of middle of the road to me, (a nice way of saying it’s boring). I think there are so many better Scottish/English blends on the market. I’m sure when Murray’s or Dunhill actually made it, it was pretty awesome though but the latest version of it was pretty ‘meh’.

dcon · May 30, 2019

I agree that the STG 965 was nothing to write home about. Conversely, the Murray’s 965 was sublime. I have probably consumed more of that than any other blend over the years. The current Sutliff Match (now Match 20) is as close as you will come nowadays. As jimjinks has mentioned in other threads and his review, is that Sutliff is/was attempting to match Murray’s rather than the STG. The cavendish is the balancing act in this mixture.

fusion · May 30, 2019

As the OP said is a process,the leaf is cured using steam at 212F then the "Cavendish Cut" its stacked and pressed into a block, cut into plug, and sliced.

As to the origins of the name i dont know but i know someone who will know, ill be back lol

crashthegrey · May 30, 2019

I smoke plain English Cavendish alone sometimes. It can be a palette cleanser.

fusion · May 30, 2019

My man came thru already

English Cavendish uses a dark flue or fire cured Virginia

Cavendish tobacco originated in the late 16th century, when Sir Thomas Cavendish(English) commanded a ship in Sir Richard Grenville's expedition to Virginia in 1585, and discovered that by dipping tobacco leaves in sugar it produced a milder and more mellow smoke.

A typical mix of ingredients would be around 54 percent tobacco, 22 percent water, 8 percent alcohol (Glycerol/Sorbitol) and the rest sugars.

madox07 · May 31, 2019

hawky454 good point. Everybody talks about cavendish in terms of process, process this, process that, black this, brown that, but nobody talks about the base leaf. Or how would a burley cavendish taste different from a virginia cavendish? Can for say one have a Maryland cavendish (in theory the process can be applied to all tobacco types)? What would be the most common leaf for this process ... and further stuff like this.

jeff540 · May 31, 2019

I'm guessing that McClelland's Dark Star, Royal Vintage Dark Flake, and the bulk version (Navy Flake I think) would have been considered Cavendish as well?

mso489 · May 31, 2019

Great posts gents, and thank you. I'll keep reading. I think Cavendish is an under-illucidated tobacco genre. Glad to learn more.

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