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peckinpahhombre

peckinpahhombre

Lifer
Dec 24, 2012
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I was given a Peterson system pipe that is in fantastic condition. On the back of the shank it says:
Made in England

No. 36
Were Peterson pipes ever made in England? Any thoughts as to how I would date this thing?

 
anthonyrosenthal74

anthonyrosenthal74

Lifer
Jan 8, 2013
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English made Peterson pipes actually spans between the pre-Republic and Republic eras. In 1895, Peterson opened a shop in London England that lasted until the late 1950s or early 1960s. So the English Era, for a simplified date, will be from 1895 through 1959.
Copied from.... http://thepetersonpipeproject.blogspot.com/2007/07/dating-peterons-pipes.html
hope that helps. I'm not an expert.

 
peckinpahhombre

peckinpahhombre

Lifer
Dec 24, 2012
7,195
456
Wow, that is great Anthony. It says Made in England in block letters is probably the oldest, and that's what mine has, but doesn't give a date range. It also says nothing about what the number (36) means. Still, very helpful. I did a double take when I read Made in England. Thought it was some sort of copy.

 
rebornbriar

rebornbriar

Starting to Get Obsessed
Aug 21, 2013
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1
United Kingdom
Peck, is the stamp:
MADE IN

ENGLAND
Not in a circle but in 2 lines? All the information is on that page.
We believe the earliest stamp of this era was the "Made in England" in a block format since Peterson was using the "Made in Ireland" block format at about the same time on their Irish production pipes
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Peterson pipes made during the majority of this period had no "Country of Manufacture" (COM) stamped on them. However, later in this period, say around 1915/16, Peterson began stamping their pipes "Made in Ireland" in a block format.
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The Irish Free State was formed on 15 January 1922. So the Free State Era will be from 1922 through 1937. Peterson followed with a COM stamp of "Irish Free State" in either one or two lines, either parallel or perpendicular to the shanks axis and extremely close to the stem.
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So if the stamp is as above it can be dated 1915 - 1922 range, but could also go to 1938 before the circular stamp was used.

 
anthonyrosenthal74

anthonyrosenthal74

Lifer
Jan 8, 2013
7,493
733
Hopefully someone that knows a whole heck of a lot more than me (because I'm clueless lol) can answer about that number. I would take a wild guess and say perhaps its a pipe shape number?

 
peckinpahhombre

peckinpahhombre

Lifer
Dec 24, 2012
7,195
456
I thought it might be shape too, but on the one side it says:
PETERSON'S

SYSTEM

3
I assumed the 3 was the shape number.

 
peckinpahhombre

peckinpahhombre

Lifer
Dec 24, 2012
7,195
456
Oh, I see, the assumption is they changed the Made in England stamp in 1922 (or maybe 1938) when they changed the Irish stamp

 
rebornbriar

rebornbriar

Starting to Get Obsessed
Aug 21, 2013
250
1
United Kingdom
Correct!
The first stamp on Petersons after about 1915/16 was:
MADE IN

IRELAND
Before this there was no country stamped on any of their pipes. This changed in 1922 to IRISH FREE STATE. in either one or 2 lines. Then again in 1938 to MADE IN EIRE. But this time the stamp was circular and it is assumed the English stamp changed to MADE IN ENGLAND in a circle as well.
So it is assumed that the block letter stamp was the initial 1915-22 period but may well have extended until the introduction of the Made In Eire circular stamp in 1938.

 
rebornbriar

rebornbriar

Starting to Get Obsessed
Aug 21, 2013
250
1
United Kingdom
System 3 was a grading system. I have seen a System 0, a System 2 and a System 3 (assume there may have been a System 1 as well but I have never seen one). I have also never seen a Peterson with "No." stamped on it. They used to have 3 digit shape numbers.

 
anthonyrosenthal74

anthonyrosenthal74

Lifer
Jan 8, 2013
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Regardless... if it's as old as we think it is and in good shape, that's just FREAKING AWESOME!!! :D I seriously want to see pics.

 
numbersix

numbersix

Lifer
Jul 27, 2012
5,449
53
Congrats on that Pete Peck! I also have a "Made in England" Pete.
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From my research, I estimated this to be a 1940s - 50s (it does say "A Peterson Product" on mine. This happens to be my lightest pipe at 1.2 oz and smokes beautifully.

 
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