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Are Jet Flame Lighters Actually Bad?

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  1. mrmachado

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    Why?

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  2. hoosierpipeguy

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    Torch types will quickly burn the Briar

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  3. darwin

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    I've been using a torch flame lighter with a LePeltier ceramic pipe for breezy outdoor smoking. Works great. Light a folded flake and the breeze will help keep it lit.

    Viewing with alarm since 1948.
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    If you are just starting out, a torch is a good way to burn the rim of your pipe.

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    Nope, they are fantastic for their intended purpose - to light a cigar. They can take that kind of abuse and give you a great smoke. Used with a pipe, you're inviting tongue burn and damaging the pipe rim, neither is necessary.

    Al

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    Most of the torches, even turned all the way down reach temperatures close to 2000 degrees, this will instantly scorch your new pipe and the tobacco. The idea is to gently coax the tobacco to an ember for the best taste.

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    Maybe you could learn to light a pipe with any flame, but I'd use the softest flame available, which is usually matches. Hold the match over the tobacco and draw the flame into the tobacco by drawing on the pipe.

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    For a pipe and the tobacco inside of it, yes. Way too hot.

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    Not recommended for beginners. They can be useful in a wind, though. Have to be extra careful.

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    Considering I scorched the bejesus out of a cob one time with my zippo, the flames that erupt from one of those jet lighters could have set the whole cob on fire. I did actually try one with a cob, just for the sake of science. I had one of my old cobs and found a jet lighter left by someone out on our outside tables by the smoking area. I didn't even give it much thought at the time, but I lit that sucker up and it definitely put a burn on the side of my pipe. I really wasn't expecting it to shoot out that far. Those things definitely shouldn't be used to light a pipe you care about, little on the tobacco in a pipe you DON'T care about. I just see it vaporizing your tobacco and making it taste very unpleasant.

    "If you can't send money, send tobacco." - George Washington

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    If you burn out a briar using a torch, the manufacturer won't replace the pipe. It's very easy for a trained eye to determine whether it was caused by a flaw in the wood or a torch flame lighter.

    Russ

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    Here's what it looks like. I warned the owner of this pipe not use torch lighters. That pipe is less than a year old. Quite a mess.

    The pipe is an instrument of civilization.
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    Wow, tuold. I did not realize that this actually is done. You would think that there were some obvious red flags to stop before it got to that point.

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    Ouch!

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    God, what a mess.

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    Tuold! A picture tells a thousand words huh! Wow that's crazy

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    Wow, this looks bad. But how couldn't he see that the rim is burning like hell? Colour, deformation, come on! A person like him should use only meerschaum or clay pipes.

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    sable, your post is really confusing.

    Javan
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    So you are saying to use a soft flame Jesse?

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    The best thing about a jet torch is you can smoke anything, even sopping wet fresh out of the tin, which greatly enhances the flavor of Aromatics.
    Sure, you might scorch the rim if you’re not careful, so don’t smoke an expensive pipe with a torch, there’s plenty of cheaper options.

    I will add that a soft flame that can be directed into the bowl might do just as well, but I haven’t got around to trying one of those yet. And I haven’t actually found a torch lighter I’m really happy with either (the cold climate definitely makes butane less effective).

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    I get the feeling that Sable is trying to tell us something...

    I will add that a soft flame that can be directed into the bowl might do just as well

    You do not have to direct the flame into the bowl. You have just hover it about half an inch above the bowl, even on a bowl that is over 2" deep. I do it all the time, and I don't have to huff and puff, just casually draw in as you normally would. Try it.

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    Some were hysterically enthused on learning the Frank method when it rolled out in the mid-2000s, which requires a torch. I'm sure some use it but for most it is a blip of pipe history. At any rate this is the only time that I remember a torch being recommended about a briar. I never used it as even if the pack was superior, I would have had to be so careful not to scorch the wood.

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    I've tried the Frank method, but I never used a torch. Briar burns around 1300 degrees F, and torch flames start out around 1700. I refuse to use a torch on a pipe.

    Russ

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dauoV95rCUY
    one of the best youtube pipe community (ytpc) vids evah

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    I was in Puerto Rico this week- wind blowing 15-20 on the beach. I have a dual flame lighter and couldn't get the soft flame to light. The torch saved it- it takes some technique to get it right....

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    I'm not surprised to hear that the Frank method suggests a torch. The guy doesn't even bother to dry his tobacco before packing, so I already know that he doesn't know what he's doing.

    If you're into cremating the rim and chamber walls of your pipes, as well as tasting cremated tobacco, rock on.

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    A long wooden match works well,less chance of burning the rim of the bowl.

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    Any fire can harm briar, and any fire can be used with good results. Torches are to be avoided, unless in winds over about 10 mph, when that may be the only way.

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    In the field, I use a Xikar Cirro High Altitude Lighter. This is meant for cigars, Al. A mile or more from the car, I encounter all kinds of weather and winds. I have four nice soft flame lighters in the house, but none work well, daily, outside... away from a building.
    I invert the lighter over the bowl, open it, and lower it. I turn my back to the wind, as even this lighter will not work well facing the wind.
    Here are three of my field nosewarmers. The bowl on the left is my oldest field pipe... eight years, and I have reamed it. The middle pipe has a cat hair added... not on purpose. Two of these have smooth rim wood and no burning to speak of on any of them
    bowls

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    Soft flame, of course. But I give the nod to snowy for effective use of the torch when needed, namely outdoors. I have used a torch as well when outside and the wind is blowing and I want my pipe lit. Of course I use smokeable second cobs from MM, so the risk/reward is a much better ratio.

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    Even though I'm outside a lot, I never use a torch lighter or any other wind-resistant device. To me, if it's too windy to light a match or a Bic, that's God telling me not to smoke that day.

    De Gustibus Non Est Disputandum
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    You do not have to direct the flame into the bowl. You have just hover it about half an inch above the bowl, even on a bowl that is over 2" deep. I do it all the time, and I don't have to huff and puff, just casually draw in as you normally would. Try it.

    You won’t get anywhere smoking Lakelands like that, especially not fresh from the tin as I’m so fond of (maximum “Floral Kick”).

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