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  1. sjfine

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    Neill Archer Roan has, "after a long deliberation," decided to take down his site, A Passion for Pipes.

    Another sad day for pipe smokers.

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    One has to ask, why?

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    Passion is fleeting. It's love that is everlasting.

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    That's terrible news

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    Very sad to see. There were some great articles/blog posts well worth reading in the archives, and additionally beautiful photographs.

    Dave
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    Posted 3 years ago #
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    Maybe the cost of maintaining the site wasn't worth it to him anymore.

    Life is good. But it's better with a pipe.
    Posted 3 years ago #
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    Neill put P4P on hiatus a few years ago, but brought it back. Maybe he will see a way clear to resurrect it again.

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    Posted 3 years ago #
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    I think the difference now is that the site is gone, at least I cannot access it. He is a great collector, and a valuable source of knowledge. I wish him well.

    Doc

    Posted 3 years ago #
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    Not updating regularly is one thing, unplugging the site entirely is another.

    Any of you tech guys know what the hosting fee would be for a site like that?

    Dogs live such short lives... and spend most it waiting for us to come home
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    Very sad news. There was so much well researched information on that site, and now inaccessible. It feels like the Black Ages are creeping back.

    It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt. - Mark Twain

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    Posted 3 years ago #
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    A loss not easily replaced but I suspect the commitment to maintain a site like that is significant.

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    It does raise a question about the durability and longevity of anything online, in the cloud, or otherwise on digital media. History, blogs, video, etc. Nicholson Baker wrote a whole book about the misguided campaign to destroy paper library archives including newspapers, magazines, and other periodicals, and submit them all to microfilm and later microfiche, which turned out to be far less durable than paper. The man (Baker) took it upon himself to retain and store tons of discarded printed materials in a barn, and eventually found a home for it at Duke University. The microfiche fanatics, with all kindly intentions, did perhaps more damage than the Taliban has done to historical sites in the Middle East with sledge hammers and explosives. Shouldn't there be an archive of blogs? This illustrates that technology isn't as benign, free and open as it was visualized when the inventors and creators were young. Now it's just another revenue stream, destructive as any other.

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    Shouldn't there be an archive of blogs?
    There is, at least to a limited extent: the Way Back Machine

    Posted 3 years ago #
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    If he has an archive, he can pass it along to someone else who can host it, like Pipepedia.

    "My own experience has been that the tools I need for my trade are paper, tobacco, food, and a little whiskey." -- William Faulkner

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    It does raise a question about the durability and longevity of anything online, in the cloud, or otherwise on digital media. History, blogs, video, etc.

    There is no longevity to any digital media. That's not necessarily a bad thing.

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    Definitely a loss for us. Too much good information to slip away.

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    Sometimes you just get tired or you lose your passion for something. I am sure Neill thought about this for a long time before he pulled the plug. From what I know about websites, I believe he could put it back on line if he chose to do so. The price of a yearly subscription from Go Daddy is about 100.00 bucks a year. Neill didn't have to pay Google to optimize his site as all pipe people had no problem finding it. I will certainly miss his writing and looking at his Comoy collection, it was something to behold.

    Neill, if you read this, thanks for the years of a great site and I hope you find what ever makes you happy.

    Harris
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    Good gods, man, don't use GoDaddy for hosting!!!

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    Shiiiiiiiiiiiiit! I loved reading the archives and had hoped he would start posting again, but it looks like he has moved on. Neill, your thoughts and insight will be missed, I wish him the best in whatever he puts his energy into next.

    "So it goes." - K.V.
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    Sad loss. I really enjoyed reading the posts. I learned something new on each occasion. I sure wish there could be a way for Neill to find a way to keep the archives up, like deathmetal mentioned. There does need to be a method for keeping the great stuff around like Passion.

    I recall when The Pipe Smoker's Ephemeris by Tom Dunn last went to press. I had only caught on to the Ephemeris and was just enthralled. Then it stopped. I know there is a book out now with some of the old copies, but I can't pay the asking price for the tome.

    Anyway, just saying, I wish these real word and picture arts of pipes could be saved in some manner today with all the technology available to us at this moment in time.


    The past is never dead. It's not even past--Requiem for a Nun
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    Neill has made a lot of big life changes in the past two years, I suppose it was just time to move on.

    Al

    Posted 3 years ago #
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    https://web.archive.org/web/20160323005019/http://www.apassionforpipes.com/

    I wouldn't count on this archive being available forever. If whoever owns the domain makes changes to the robots.txt, Archive.org deletes the older material. The domain is up for grabs in August.

    Posted 3 years ago #
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    He still smokes a pipe right?

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    Posted 3 years ago #
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    The cost of server fees, domain names, constantly having to mess with removing junk from codes, and various other crap that comes up from having a website. It's a hassle. IMO. I could see whereas it could become too much. But, yeh I loved that site. Great stuff. Someone should start a website history site, where you can park old webpages that merit being preserved for antiquity.

    Funny, "they" tell us that everything we do online will be out there forever, but...

    Michael
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    Neils site was a pleasure, and I'm sorry to see it go.

    "Passion is fleeting. It's love that is everlasting."

    True dat.
    But love won't pay the bills. either.

    As for online longevity, Jesse has it right. No such thing. I have clients who's only archive of photography and video is online. Decades worth of material that defines their institution. Every photo that they've hired me (and others) to shoot over the years is entrusted to an online service. I've tried to dissuade them from the practice, but until that online service goes bankrupt, has a fire, or gets hacked Nigerians and they lose everything, they refuse to pay for adequate on-site backup.

    Everything is temporary, it's just a question of how long and when.

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    The issue with online material is that once posted online, you do not know who has copied it.

    Longevity is just like in the physical world: requires someone paying for it and maintaining it to keep it alive.

    My advice to people is always to get source documents. No one wants to do so. Reason: offices are so dysfunctional that people usually lose it anyway, after having paid extra for it. Better to just do it again.

    Rome 2.0 jive

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    Hey, DM, thanks for the link to the Wayback Machine archive. Though it's incomplete and a bit spotty, I was able to download a number of my favorite articles from the site.

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    I was just following up on sjfine's comment. Handy pro-tip: if you paste those articles into Microsoft Word, you can easily make a PDF. This is now my favorite way of archiving websites.

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    So how do you go about turning a web page into a PDF?

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    Go to the web page and highlight the content you want, then CTRL-C (or other copy command).

    Open a new Microsoft Word file, paste it in.

    "Save As..." and select format PDF.

    I do a couple additional steps to remove gunk code and formatting, but that's the basics there.

    Alternatively: save page from browser, open HTML file using MS Word.

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    First the internet destroyed newspapers, magazines and real journalism. Now it's devouring itself.
    As a retired journalist/photojournalist and a former magazine editor I am saddened anytime the written word that was carefully researched and published becomes lost to society.

    I am glad we have a good admin and responsible moderators.

    Heave to you dark colored ship under sail! Prepare to be boarded!
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    When Gary Schrier asked me to write an article for him, he touched on the impermanence of the Internet. Digital information comes and goes but paper lasts longer. Enjoy Pipedia while it's here. There's no reason to expect that someday it won't go the way of Passion For Pipes.

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    Every website depends on the funding and time of those who maintain it. People almost universally take them for granted, because they are accustomed to ad-subsidized content like on TV.

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    Maybe he wanted to re-purpose some of his content for another book?

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    I'm talking to Neill right now.

    He IS working on a book. The site might get restored onto our server here if he wants to do it.

    I have to see if I have enough space on the server as he has 13-years of content, including photo galleries.

    I'll update later.

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    Great! What a "save" of an excellent reference and a boon to pipesmagazine as a (the?) center of pipe culture. Glad to hear about the book too -- saved to paper again.

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    Awesome Kevin!!!

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    That's great news Kevin and absolutely right to do this as the site is too good to lose. Frightening to think how quickly a wonderful resource can disappear.

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    The best possible outcome, in my view.

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    Damn, I just recently found out about his website too...

    "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
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    Placing the P4P archives here at PM.com is just an outstanding offer by Kevin!

    My old newspaper tossed most of its hard copy files a dozen or so years ago when it went to a digital "morgue" format. Morgue is generally referred to as a newspaper's library.

    Now, my old newspaper says it is going to do away with even what hard copy it saved and is going to digitize the newspaper each day.

    Good luck with that!

    Glad to see that Kevin and others understand that we are losing the print world in a serious way. I hope books, newspapers, magazines and other print matter will continue to find a place in our reading culture. And I wonder what the internet digital world is having on the creativity it takes to write thought-provoking works? The Internet is just fabulous for research, but it takes down and dirty work to write the good stuff.

    Passion for Pipes is a great example of what I'm talking about. Neill is an excellent writer and P4P deserves to be printed and archived. Thanks, Kevin!

    Okay. I'm off my soap box.

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    I'd love to Neill's work saved here.

    He thought and wrote about pipes and all things related in a way that transcended the pastime and implicated fundamental and important things. I enjoyed his site a lot, and i hope we will continue to hear form him, one way or another.

    Posted 3 years ago #
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    Neill's a classy guy...good to see his information will be shucked over to this forum.

    I treat people the way they treat me. It's that simple.
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    I am hoping the site of Neill can be saved.. I can't imagine a pipe-smoking world without it. All the information, images etc. I can't imagine him just throwing away all he has worked for all those years. I mean, when I think of all the hours I spend in the making of my blog, I really don't want to throw that away. Ever! Luckily I have a free Wordpress site. The only money the blog costs me is to keep it ad-free. But when I decide to quit the blog will stay there for as long there are free Wordpress sites. Only with ads..

    And Kevin:

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    My advice:

    Set up a 302 redirect to the new site

    And listen to more Pestilence, Asphyx, Gorefest and Sammath, of course!

    Posted 3 years ago #
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    Does someone know what happened to Nick of qualitybriar?

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    How did I guess?! Lol.

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    And listen to more Pestilence, Asphyx, Gorefest and Sammath, of course!

    *Roars*

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    Does someone know what happened to Nick of qualitybriar?

    It was a convergence of family business matters that needed attending to and Nick encountering a number of PipeWorld frustrations. In short, his priorities shifted.

    A big loss to the hobby, imo. Nick was/is always good for his word and consistently went above and beyond for his customers.

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    This is great news. I have Neill's "Comoy's Blue Riband" book, it is excellent.

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    Any news on the book or the restoration of the content of this website ?

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    The only development I've spotted is not a positive one. His site can no longer be accessed from versions archived on the Wayback Machine. I had been able to pull off some articles shortly after the announcement of his site closure. But recently I was no longer able to access the archives and was informed by its administrators that those archives had been sealed by request, which I assume to come from Neill.

    I'm sure that something is afoot, but for now that site is history.

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    I had been able to pull off some articles shortly after the announcement of his site closure.

    Would you have pulled anything about Author Pipes, by any chance ?

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    Sounds to me like this is all part of the book in the making.

    I hope I'm right.

    And I hope everything works out for Neill.

    Dot
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    why making things unavailable ? simply because there is a book is the works ? doesn't seem so to me

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    sablebrush, I heartily agree that there are vast fields of material on internet that desperately need to be deleted, certainly "most" of it, whatever that means. But the option to retrieve material is central to having a viable and authentic history. One small example from the Ken Burns documentary on the Civil War (and that has good aspects and bad ones, be sure) I savor and take to heart the point that the officers with their fine, up-to-date fountain pens at the time wrote letters in ink that often faded almost completely over time. Whereas the poor farmer and working class enlisted men dying like flies on the battlefields mostly wrote their letters and diaries in pencil, which if the paper holds up, remains perfectly legible. Speaking of the durability of various platforms. Of course, everything we post on Forums will be forever maintained and treasured in closely maintained servers and the cloud. We'll all be remembered endlessly into the future as sages of the briar.

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    why making things unavailable ? simply because there is a book is the works ? doesn't seem so to me

    I would say it depends who the publisher is, but frankly I'm simply speculating.

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    I heartily agree that there are vast fields of material on internet that desperately need to be deleted, certainly "most" of it, whatever that means.

    Virtual space junk cluttering up interspace!

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    Yes, Neill was hinting about a Passion For Pipes book for several years, I suppose sealing his archives is simply protecting the material of his hopefully upcoming book. This is actually good news. Why buy the cow, when you can get the milk for free?

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    You might be able to find archives here.
    https://web.archive.org/web/*/apassionforpipes.com
    It was loading, but very slowly.

    Posted 2 years ago #
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    Someone may have been poaching for a different book.

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    Site hosting is about 200 bucks a year, more if you have a lot of traffic. I've hosted a few sites with .net and sql server for that off and on over the years. The website is probably archived. You would have to google website archive or something. I forgot the name of the archive site. Of course the photos will not be archived and the css is probably missing. I've seen some of my old websites there from 10+ years ago and I would have never guessed they would have been chosen to be archived.

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    You would have to google website archive or something

    that sounds very promising, I'm going to give it shot.

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