Windsor Ashford (Sasieni 2nd)

[ssjones]

I picked this one up because it looked like an interesting project. Thanks to member dmcmtk for his identification assistance. Dave has been looking for an Ashford (Shape 88) pipe and this one is headed to his rack.
I like this rustification just as much as the Four Dot "Rustic" finish pipes (which follows the grain). They just have a wonderful "feel".
Full restoration details are here:

https://rebornpipes.com/2017/03/04/wingate-sasieni-2nd-ashford/
Before

After

 

[jensen]

I have a small ( 40 x 120 mm) rustic oval bowl billiard stamped Made in England (football) 628 "WINDSOR" Sasieni Made

 

[davet]

Beautiful, I love that shape :clap:

 

[ssjones]

Can you post a shot of that nomenclature Jensen? This could be Windsor, but I think it has an additional letter, so Wingate seemed logical.

 

[dmcmtk]

During most of the pre-war period, all of the "seconds" were smooth pipes, but at some point Sasieni began to experiment with rusticated finishes on some of their seconds, finally ending up in the post-war period with the rusticated finish on the Old England line. The rustication is very interesting, it's much closer to the line cut "follow the grain" RUSTIC finish seen on the Sasieni One Dots, and Four Dots than the more "regular" finish that was used on the Old England line. The RUSTIC finish was a hand carved finish, certainly more labor intensive; I have a feeling Sasieni developed the tooling to produce the Old England finish as the idea for a rustic finish for "seconds" evolved. It's also just my personal opinion that the original RUSTIC finish was a bit of one upmanship on Sasieni's part with regard to his former employer's DUNHILL SHELL sandblasts.
I bought the pipe from Al, I'll update on the Wingate/Windsor question when I take a look at the markings with a loupe. The other interesting thing is how the marking (whatever it is) is in quotes, which again makes me see this finish as part of Sasieni's experimentation with different rustications. By the time we see the Windsor pipes, which were sandblasts, their line name on the pipes is not in quotes.

 

[ssjones]

Here's a nomenclature of Jenson's "Windsor". I'm betting this one is also a Windsor. I'll wait to Dave examines it before changing the title. Thanks Jenson!

 

[dmcmtk]

Very interesting...rusticated, and with Windsor in quotes. I would suppose it dates from the same period as the pipe in the OP. Can we see a picture of the full pipe?
Shape 28, the Stafford or Crewe shape.

 

[ssjones]

I have only this shot.

 

[huntertrw]

As I recall, Sasieni had a propensity to name their pipes after English cities and towns. According to the Encyclopedia Britannica, "Windsor is situated on the south bank of the River Thames opposite Eton and lies to the west of London. The modern town is dominated by Windsor Castle, standing on the outcrop of chalk on which William I the Conqueror (reigned 1066–87) built the original fortress. The castle is in regular occupation as a royal residence and is a conspicuous landmark for travelers approaching nearby Heathrow Airport."

 

[dmcmtk]

As I recall, Sasieni had a propensity to name their pipes after English cities and towns.

This is true, but with the two pipes in this thread, the Windsor name was being used, I believe, as terminology for a prototype line of rusticated pipes. The two pipes are shape 88 (the Ashford), and shape 28 (the Stafford) Windsor did later become a name for a line of sandblasted pipes.

 

[ssjones]

Yes, they only used the town names for the Four Dot pipes (to the best of my knowledge).
Here's two more shots of Jensen's pipe, an Opera style pipe.

 

[dmcmtk]

Using my 10x loupe, the pipe is marked 688 over "WINDSOR" over SASIENI. The other thing about the pipe, looking at both the drilling of the tenon, and the shank; this pipe at some point had a stinger/other hardware, or at least was drilled to accommodate it.

 

[ssjones]

Cool, I changed the Reborn Pipes blog entry and will update this title.

I thought the same about the tenon, it no longer has threads, but is definitely the size of a stinger equipped tenon.

Let me know how she smokes!