Why Are Some Tobaccos Available In Some Countries But Not Others?

[Franco Pipenbeans]

I understand that there are factors influencing the sale and availability of some tobaccos from country to country; Europe have their blends, the Americans have their’s which, sometimes, become available when blends change ownership etc.

Can anyone enlighten me about why, say, Condor Plug is available, in Ireland only? I appreciate that Gallaher’s was an Irish manufacturer (Northern Irish, I believe?) so is that the reason it is only available there?

Surely, Condor, still being a popular tobacco in the UK - albeit with pipe smoking being at a low ebb of popularity right now - would be able to sell the plug variety and sell quite a lot of it as well; and when you take into account that they produce a flake version, so there must be a plug variety available, that would need less processing and therefore be cheaper to produce - why don’t they sell it in Ireland alone?

Why are there three types of 3 Nuns available in the States but only one in Europe? Two types (yellow and blue) of Capstan available in the States but only one (blue rr) available in England?

Why does Germaines sell there tobacco as Esoterica in the States but not sell it in the country of origin at all?

Back to the Condor plug which, I believe, is now made in Poland, like all the other JTI blends are; how much more effort would it be to sell it in any other country in Europe and why don’t they sell it in other countries?

 

[hoosierpipeguy]

Some companies choose not to export to other countries. I'm guessing there's regulations they have to be concerned about as well. Perhaps they don't have a distributor for their product in other countries. Perhaps they don't have production capacity to serve more than the market they're in. And with the USA, they may be concerned about the deeming legislation that could potentially prevent tobacco not made prior to 2007 (I think) from being sold until it passes an expensive certification.

 

[sablebrush52]

Why does Germaines sell there tobacco as Esoterica in the States but not sell it in the country of origin at all?

Esoterica was developed by Germain's, from its catalog of private label blends, for Steve Richman of the Piedmont Tobacco Company in Piedmont California. So it was created as a line to be distributed in the US. We get Stonehaven, the UK has Rich Dark Flake.

We don't get some of the plug versions of much loved blends and my guess is that someone decided that plugs wouldn't sell as well here. that's usually the driving factor in deciding where to market a blend. I would be very happy if HU could be sold here directly, but apparently it's a bitch and three quarters to arrange that.

 

[warren]

All of the above. Economics mostly, no/low profit drive such. If it costs (import/export regulations, shipping, advertising, etc.) more to position your product than you might recover, no reason to put your product in that market.

 

[anotherbob]

I've wondered the same thing about candy and sodas too Gosh even from state to state it's baffling. Like why did we just recently get Chilli cheese Fritos?

 

[Franco Pipenbeans]

Don’t get me wrong, I like the regional variations in products; it makes it worthwhile going anywhere and I’d hate to think we might become a homogenised blob - we’ve only recently got Reese’s Pieces in the UK for example.
What gets me is the reasoning behind why products are placed where they are? What (presumably) data are they looking at to make decisions?
Ireland used to have, until quite recently, Murray’s Warrior and Mick McQuaid’s plug - does this mean that Ireland is more of a plug country than, say, Scotland? ?‍
I realise that the days of the family owned and run tobacconists is going the way of the dodo, and that there is no inclination or the financial incentive, for newsagents/drugstores to stock a wide selection of products that, could, sit on the shelf for a long time, waiting for that one customer but it does make me wonder the reasoning behind decisions that are made?

 

[JOHN72]

In Spain new tax rise,to sugared beverages.............The food industry It's more lethal than tobacco.....In health matters.......

 

[stokesdale]

Because some countries are better than other countries

 

[logs]

Tobacco is highly regulated and taxed, I get why international trade is goofy. On the other hand, why are Goo Goo Clusters only available in Nashville?? As the best candy that ever existed those things should be available at convenience stores throughout the world.

 

[JOHN72]

Because some countries are better than other countries

It's difficult when in the century XXI whe hate our history,civilitation,traditions,culture,flag and homeland............for catholic like me..............I always remember the battle of Lepanto...........Ascient history is our key...........??

 

[gerryp]

It's difficult when in the century XXI whe hate our history,civilitation,traditions,culture,flag and homeland............for catholic like me..............I always remember the battle of Lepanto...........Ascient history is our key...........??

It's amazing....you see patterns of events that have led to the violent downfall of societies as recently as the 20th century, then you see some disturbing parallels today, then you realize that they should emphasize world history a lot more in our educational system.

Anywho, back on topic: I've always wanted to try Condor.

 

[Jaylotw]

- we’ve only recently got Reese’s Pieces in the UK for example.

you poor people have suffered long.

I wonder if Laudisi’s recent deal with G&H might lead to more distribution deals with them for other European brands? Seems like they have the capacity to do so...I’d like to try Condor.

And, speaking of weird regional distribution...Cheerwine just became available in Ohio fairly recently and people went nuts.

 

[northernpipeshed]

C&D in the U.K.......that would be a dream.....I would stock the cellar....even at our stupid UK prices....

 

[oldgeezersmoker]

We don't get some of the plug versions of much loved blends and my guess is that someone decided that plugs wouldn't sell as well here.

This drop of GH from Laudisi included both Bosun Cut Plug and uncirculated Bosun Plug. Been a while since that version has been available here. Under current industry interpretations of the FDA rules, a plug version of a blend available in another form seems to be OK. I hope more of this will happen. Bob’s Chocolate Plug is on my prayer list.

 

[oldgeezersmoker]

On the other hand, why are Goo Goo Clusters only available in Nashville??

Go to their web page, there just might be a discerning retailer near you. If not, Amazon carries them.

 

[Franco Pipenbeans]

It's amazing....you see patterns of events that have led to the violent downfall of societies as recently as the 20th century, then you see some disturbing parallels today, then you realize that they should emphasize world history a lot more in our educational system.

Anywho, back on topic: I've always wanted to try Condor.

A little known fact: God, Himself, smokes Condor.