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saltedplug

Lifer
Aug 20, 2013
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Contemplating an Escudo buy of 50 tins, I said to myself, are you sure you wouldn't want to split that up? So I started opening up tins,
Escudo

Solani 633

Chenet's Cake

Fillmore

Robert McConnell Scottish Cake

Davidoff Flake Medallions

GH Louisiana Flake
and smoked about a dozen bowls of each. Findings:
Escudo, the Flake Medallions and Dunhill Navy Rolls are much more alike than different, although there are differences (I smoked a tin of DNR a few months back). Escudo has the most Perique and is smoother than the Flake Medallions. One could do far worse than smoke Escudo every time he wanted a VA/Perique. On the other hand, I'm not sure I would want to choose my favorite from among Escudo, Fillmore and Scottish Cake.
Scottish Cake reminds me so much of Hal O' the Wynd with its deep, dark red VA goodness. More perique than Fillmore.
Fillmore's red VA is smoother but not as deep, and the perique is better balanced than in Scottish Cake. I like Scottish Cake very much, but as regards balance Pease has the more deft hand; just enough to make it noticeable, a pleasing presence, while Scottish Cake seems as if the blender wanted to establish a perique presence equal to the deeper red VA. I will buy more of both.
GH Louisiana Flake would be a great all day smoke. The chocolate topping is well done, not too much nor too little. For me the VAs are not as delicious as the last two tobaccos, but I'm not sure the blenders wanted to make it anything more than enjoyable, which it certainly is.
I can't remember just when I smoked Solani 633 last, sometime before 2005 would be my guess. My memory of it was far different than what I remembered, which was sumptuous VA. The tin I opened was 2 years old, and I must say that I was startled by the floridity of the perique. It exploded with flavor. I talked to Chris Tarler about Chenet's Cake this morning, more about which follows below, and he said that perique ages very well; a year in a sealed barrel under a great deal of pressure would certainly make the tobacco ferment, and apparently after blending it never stops. At any rate, perhaps the perique in this tin had fermented more than usual. I really don't know, but i was very impressed with the blend and will buy more.
A few more words about Fillmore. I noticed in it the same excellent VA that I found in Quiet Nights and Embarque: more full and savory. It's as if Pease has found a way to amplify VA. I know that that may sound overstated or simplistic, but other VAs don't hold up to his. Also, the 8 oz canister of Fillmore that had had two years of age displayed a very full aroma not only of fermented VA but also a smell of rot, which disappointed quickly, which is the case of the olfactory bonanza that newly opened tobacco emits for only seconds. Within minutes the rotten smell vanished, leaving the aroma of fermented VA. I certainly tasted nothing degraded smoking it.
Finally Chenet's Cake. I've smoked about a lb. of John Patton Cool Hand Fluke, which is 40% perique while Chenet's Cake is 35%. I found the latter in every respect a far better blend than CHF, which for me settles into two stark tastes, the boatload of perique and the presence of VAs. There is almost no integration. Chenet's Cake on the other hand tastes like a fine VA blend with a lot of perique, and although 35% is a good deal of perique, and although this is a very strong presence, the VAs bind its flavors within it. I will definitely buy more, but then again I like extreme blends, and it might not be as enjoyable for you.
Overall doing this comparison has reawakened my taste for and appreciation of VA/Perique. In my mind I had been thinking that although these tobaccos compliment each other wonderfully, in fact maybe the best of all tobacco pairs, even better than latakia and orientals, which also find excellence in each other, the taste not at all that complex. Was I wrong!
But in the meantime I spent the money that was supposed to buy those 50 tins on two great pipes, both of which I love, so no big deal.

 

freakiefrog

Part of the Furniture Now
Dec 26, 2012
745
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I'm buying about 6 tins of Escudo and a couple of the the Saloni 633 just to have a good aged back stock. I figure if I'm going to spend the money and time cellaring some I might as well get what I like.

 

brass

Lifer
Jun 4, 2014
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12
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Thanks for the comprehensive, in-depth post, Mike. Do you have any comments on Orlik Golden Slice.
I love and hate these comparative posts. The problem is that they feed and flame my TAD, which isn't all bad. But the problem is that I'm anxious to taste for myself, what I read, and end up opening up too many tins simultaneously. I have over a dozen open tins or bulk blends, stored in small, plastic, food grade, bail jars, some that I started last Spring. (the bail jars work great, btw).
I'm going to have to re-think how I go about filling my cellar.

 

delro

Starting to Get Obsessed
Jan 7, 2015
204
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Just ordered a tin of escudo navy flake can't wait to pack a bowl of it. Great post

 

pipesinperu

Starting to Get Obsessed
Apr 21, 2014
189
9
The odd scent you are detecting in the Fillmore may be that it has 2% latakia in it, sort of a secret ingredient.
I knew it! Been smoking through a tin of this and loving it, but I picked up on that pinch of latakia with the first puff. Looked all over trying to confirm this but couldn't find any mention anywhere, thought I was going crazy. Guess I should give my palate more credit! Where did you hear this, Sam, if you don't mind my asking?
Great remarks, Mike, by the way. Very helpful. I've been going through some Escudo and Fillmore at the same time. Fillmore was love at first puff and has only gotten better, but it's taken me about 2/3 of the tin of Escudo to get what the fuss is about. I'm coming around, though. I think I just prefer the deeper, darker Virginias. I'll have to pick up some of the Scottish cake for sure! Any other good Va/perique blends with red/dark Virginias out there?

 

saltedplug

Lifer
Aug 20, 2013
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There's a million of them, most recently Russ Ouelette's Viprati blend.
It may be the trace amount of latakia that smelled badly, but it didn't smell anything like it. It wasn't a pleasant aroma but I immediately took it to be the result of aging, not that I've ever smelled the same in other aged tobaccos. Fermentation is organic degradation, and as such perhaps sometimes it doesn't smell pleasant.

 
Dec 24, 2012
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I am not sure I agree that Escudo, DNR and Davidoff FM are alike. I agree that Escudo and DNR are similar, if not the same, but the Davidoff FM has much less perique and has a cavendish core which provides a very unique and sweet taste all of its own. I think the FM may well be essentially the same as PS LBF, though I do think the former may be made using higher quality tobacco, but that is just an educated hunch.
I recently tried some Solani 633 with a couple of years on it and was astounded by how delicious it was, so I am with you there. A very underrated blend.
One blend that I tried recently and loved was Telegraph Hill, which I actually thought was much better balanced than Fillmore, at least to my palate.

 

escioe

Part of the Furniture Now
Oct 31, 2013
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I knew it! Been smoking through a tin of this and loving it, but I picked up on that pinch of latakia with the first puff. Looked all over trying to confirm this but couldn't find any mention anywhere, thought I was going crazy. Guess I should give my palate more credit! Where did you hear this, Sam, if you don't mind my asking?
A couple of thoughts.
1. First puff is the place to taste latakia, to me, especially when it's buried in a blend like it is in Laurel Heights and Fillmore. Much after that and the Virginias start to take over.

2. Here's the citation for Fillmore having latakia. http://glpease.com/BriarAndLeaf/?p=40
The inclusion of a pinch of Latakia in Laurel Heights, which a few have complained about, but many more have complimented as some sort of masterstroke of ingenuity, really wasn’t my invention, however much I’d love to take full credit for it. This was actually a not uncommon practice amongst some of England’s best tobacco houses in the past, and I stole it. The admission of this little plagiarism makes me no less proud of the final result. I employed similar thievery when I concocted Fillmore. (Yes, Virginia, there is a little of the smoky stuff in that one, too. Some, those very sensitive to its presence, will easily notice it; others would only notice its absence.) Seasoning is a good thing.
I had heard 2% latakia, but can't find a citation for that.
I used to love Fillmore, and now I find that I like perique in smaller doses. I should try Telegraph Hill.

 

pipesinperu

Starting to Get Obsessed
Apr 21, 2014
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Thanks for that, escoie. I will definitely be checking out Laurel Heights.
Apologies to Mike for threadjacking this away from the VaPers!

 

tppytel

Starting to Get Obsessed
Sep 23, 2014
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0
Solani 633 is indeed excellent tobacco that remains highly underrated. I should probably order more now before you all start buying it up.
I just tried out some GH Louisiana Flake in a recent order and still have some open. It strikes me as an odd blend, not really a VAPer in the same way as Escudo and all the others. The Perique is barely noticeable compared to whatever other flavorings are in there. It's not bad by any means, but I'd consider it more a variation on the Lakelands Flake genre than a tobacco for a VAPer rotation. I don't think I'll be ordering more myself, but I can see how others might enjoy it.
I need to revisit the GLP VAPer's. It's been a long time...

 

saltedplug

Lifer
Aug 20, 2013
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I know the center of the Flake Medallions is cavendish while the other two, Escudo and DNR, have perique centered. My problem with the cavendish was that it was of a stubborn consistency. If I absentmindedly rubbed out the round, it would separate, intact; if I tried to rub it out separately, it would yield but continued to resist being broken down. When I got used to working with the tobacco I could render it in pieces, but even so could not detect any difference it made. Maybe I'm missing this subtlety.

 

cortezattic

Lifer
Nov 19, 2009
15,147
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Thanks for a very astute discussion in the OP, and for the informative comments that followed.

BTW, you guys are shameless enablers!! :lol:

 

shutterbugg

Lifer
Nov 18, 2013
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I smoked through a dozen tins of DNR I got on sale, then when I was down to 2 tins and there wasn't another sale on them I got a dozen tins of Escudo. So with one tin of DNR left I was able to sample them back to back and they really don't differ any more than DNR did from one tin to another. I'll stick with Escudo as long as it's cheaper than DNR.

 

aristokles

Can't Leave
Jan 18, 2011
399
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McClelland Blakeney's Best Arcadian Ribbon and C&D's Red Carpet are my favorite premiums in this category. That is not to say there is anything wrong with either Escudo or the Dunhill at all.

 

cmdrmcbragg

Lifer
Jul 29, 2013
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Escudo: stock it early and often. Other VA/Per favorites of mine: McClelland's St. James Woods, McClelland's 2015 ... I just love McC blends in general.

 

tppytel

Starting to Get Obsessed
Sep 23, 2014
156
0
I smoked a tin of St. James Woods recently. I found it changed more through the bowl than any other VAPer I remember. For the first half of the bowl, I could barely taste any Perique at all - it was just like smoking any other red McC VA. The Perique didn't come in until the second half of the bowl, but then it was really tasty and interesting when it did.

 

mrenglish

Lifer
Dec 25, 2010
2,220
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Columbus, Ohio
St. James Flake is probably my favorite with Escudo coming in a close second. I may have to give Chenet's Cake a try, that sounds like it would be right up my alley.
Great post, Mike!

 
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