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gord

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I've been busy lately, preparing for hunting season, designing a Field Target Course for the Prince George Rod and Gun Club (of which I'm Smallbore Director), and breaking in pipes as I work, or smoking cigars if I'm outdoors or at the range. I'll be in this zone for about another week or two, and then back to regular posting.

First of all, BEARS!. The Central Plateau of British Columbia has the highest bear density in the world, except for a few spots in Russia. They're not big bears (although I've seen a few 8 footers in the Bowron area) but they're aggressive and pests. I hunt bears (they make great stew, and the meat cans well). They're also all over the place, and even the Prince George city area has too many - the Fish and Wildlife guys shot over 150 in the city last year.

I've personally shot an unknown number, stopped counting at 30 and that was 25 years ago. I target mostly spring 2 1/2 year olds or 3 year old dry sows. They're the best for the pot. The 3 year olds i target in berry patches or oat fields (I have a lot of farmer friends and they gladly give me access to their land, for deer as well. 😃

I know bears especially, very well. During the early spring, when the bears come out, I often don't carry a gun but a camera. Bears are lightning fast and a gun in an attack situation is a liability when carrying a camera, so I approach the bears confidently but unarmed. I can usually get within 20 feet of them in full view, and as my truck is usually 30 yards away, The bears come out of hibernation in the following order: 2 year olds, first. They're curious and take of if you run at them. 3 year old dry sows are next, and they are benign, and usually just saunter away. Big boars are next. They are safe to approach for about a 1 week window. That window ends when the skunk cabbage swamps are eaten (the boars love this stuff). All bears eat grass, weeds and foliage when out of hibernation because that's all their stomachs can take. So if you know the area and their habits, it's safer than approaching deer with a camera. Much, in fact. I will note though, that the Mama bears with cubs come out last, right after the boars finish the skunk cabbage. When the mamas come out, the 3 year old dry sows go into heat, and all bets are off for approaching bears. Period. For two weeks or so during the "rut" they're more dangerous than the rest of the year combined.

First of all, the yearlings and two year olds. Two photos here - just out of the den and staring into a hole in the plastic of my den downstairs, and a little fella eating apples and reclining at my friend Mike's house, right in his back yard!

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Next is a photo of a 3 year old dry sow. I knew she was over the knoll, so I crept up to the edge, stood up, focussed and took the picture as she sauntered off. As I shoot film, I was using my Pentax MX with the 35-80 zoom I always used for this work. Probably set at 80mm as the perspective is slightly flattened.

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This next one is a 4 year old boar. He's now eating skunk cabbage, and within another 4 or 5 days I wouldn't be taking this shot. I was about 20 feet from him. He was totally into eating, and so I just said to him, "Hello there, bear!" He looked up, sniffed, and went back to eating. I took a few snaps, and walked back to my truck about 30 yards away. Don't do this unless you know precisely the emergence pattern of the bears in your area. I know them thoroughly in my bailiwick and never felt threatened at all.



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As far as hunting is concerned, the area from Prince George to Vanderhoof is where I usually hunt. Prince George is a big swamp, and Vanderhoof is a prairie environment. Here's a few photos of where I live, hunt and fish. My other hobby is photography, and so I'll start with a couple of pictures of me with a couple of bunnies (snowshoe hares). I hunt small game with an airgun . . . that's a AirForce Talon in .22, a PCP compressed air rifel with a short barrel. It's devastatingly accurate, and will hold a 1/4 group out to 45 yards, which is about the limit I'll shoot small game with a .22 calibre airgun. I'll go out to 75 with my .75 cal. Talon. At season's end when their spooky, I'll do the .22 rimfire thing. What you can't see in this photo of me (outside of the fact that I was pretty beefy in my 50's lol) is the rest of the 17 rabbits I shot that day in a box at my feet.

The second photo is one of my "rabbit roads", I'd set up my 5x7 Gowland at roadside because I was doing some swamp photos that day. But the hares come out to roadside from dawn to dusk, so you just stop the care before spooking them, and shoot. A .22 cal pellet well placed drops them in their tracks with either a head shot or a lung shot.


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This is typical fall deer and moose hunting terrrain in the Prince George area. I hunt at dusk, as is in this photo. Too many hunters out in the morning, and they're often hungover.


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Here's a few photos of the prairie farmland I hunt deer on in Vanderhoof-Ft Fraser area. There is an infrared shot included, of the same field from different perspectives. I'm a 1 gun hunter (I use a .270 Remington Model 700 for this work) but usually carry 5 or 6 cameras an a trip lol. Weird, Kinda like pipes, eh?



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It's really wonderful country. God's country! BTW that shot of the rabbit road above is half way between Prince George and Vanderhoof. Full of grouse, rabbits, and deer. Bear? Yah. They're all over the place. I'll do some similar posting on where I live, hobbies, etc., but now I'm going to have lunch, smoke a cigar and go out to the range. As I've increased in age, I've moved from a .300 Weatherby (I had a Remington Model 700 Classic in this caliber, and it shot a 200 grain Nosler Partition at a chronied 3100 fps. I used this gun for everything.) Then to the .270 mentioned in the text above. Now, I shoot a Savage in .22-250 with a Barnes XXX 45 grainer. It's dropped everything I've shot with it with one shot. Shot placement is WAYYYY more important than power.

Even though I have a collecting mania, my shooting rule for hunting guns is if it don't do 1/4" at 100 yards, I get rid of it. Not interesting in a gun that ain't accurate. My rules for competition guns are even stricter. It's got to be pretty much a one-holer, otherwise you're not in the game.

Salut and see y'all soon!
 

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georged

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Even though I have a collecting mania, my shooting rule for hunting guns is if it don't do 1/4" at 100 yards, I get rid of it. Not interesting in a gun that ain't accurate. My rules for competition guns are even stricter. It's got to be pretty much a one-holer, otherwise you're not in the game.​

Group size is meaningless without knowing the shot count.

3 shots involves a significant amount of luck
5 shots is fairly reliable... say 85% - 90%
10 shots never lies

Which count do you use when deciding what you'll keep?
 
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gord

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Group size is meaningless without knowing the shot count.

3 shots involves a significant amount of luck
5 shots is fairly reliable... say 85% - 90%
10 shots never lies
True, but the 5 shot group is standard in bench rest competition and is adequate for pellet and/or bullet testing. Once you whittle down the selection, you proceed, as you have mentioned in your reply, then competition shooters will shoot 10 shot groups and different ranges, depending on the discipline you compete in. We all do it on regular basis. Bullet and pellet anomelies count for the occasional flyer. Therefore we all use premium projectiles . . . . not bargain basement stuff.

Then there is the range factor. It is imperative to know at what range your projectile stabilizes. I've seen many a 5 shot group that spread, or got tighter, at a different range. This is why competition shooters almost never change pellets or bullets. You have to know this stuff.

For instance, in benchrest, competition is always shot at 100 yards. Ergo, what it does at 50 or 110 yards doesn't matter. In field target, my discipline, targets and bullseyes are placed at different ranges and are of different sizes, so other factors, especially stabilization, are imperative. I know of no shooter of national ranking, myself included, that doesn't undergo rigorous testing and shooting. We all handload, so powder consistency is also paramount. We try and select the best powder for our purposes and never change. Kind of like storing tobacco.

We also wear out barrels, especially in benchrest or designated distance competition. That's a bitch. That won't happen with hunting guns unless you're shooting gophers or chucks with a high velocity .22 centerfire. T'is a complicated game, t'is, t'is. :ROFLMAO:
 

georged

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True, but the 5 shot group is standard in bench rest competition and is adequate for pellet and/or bullet testing. Once you whittle down the selection, you proceed, as you have mentioned in your reply, then competition shooters will shoot 10 shot groups and different ranges, depending on the discipline you compete in. We all do it on regular basis. Bullet and pellet anomelies count for the occasional flyer. Therefore we all use premium pellets . . . . not bargain basement stuff.

Then there is the range factor. It is imperative to know at what range your projectile stabilizes. I've seen many a 5 shot group that spread, or got tighter, at a different range. This is why competition shooters almost never change pellets or bullets. You have to know this stuff.

For instance, in benchrest, competition is always shot at 100 yards. Ergo, what it does at 50 or 110 yards doesn't matter. In field target, my discipline, targets and bullseyes are placed at different ranges and are of different sizes, so other factors, especially stabilization, is imperative. I know of no shooter of national ranking, myself included, that doesn't undergo rigorous testing and shooting. We all handload, so powder consistency is also paramount. We try and select the best powder for our purposes and never change. Kind of like storing tobacco.

We also wear out barrels. That's a bitch. That won't happen with hunting guns unless you're shooting gophers or chucks with a high velocity .22 centerfire. T'is a complicated game, t'is, t'is. :ROFLMAO:

Indeed. Fizzicks is fizzicks. The physical world doesn't care what the creatures that inhabit it think or feel about anything.

Still wondering what your group size pass/fail test for a firearm is, in terms of shot count, though.

(Not trying to mess with you. You brought it up, and I'm genuinely curious.)
 
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Indeed. Fizzicks is fizzicks. The physical world doesn't care what the creatures that inhabit it think or feel about anything.

Still wondering what your group size pass/fail test for a firearm is, in terms of shot count, though.

(Not trying to mess with you. You brought it up, and I'm genuinely curious.)
For a centerfire hunting rifle, a 1/4" 5 shot group is the minimum standard. You can bet that it's been tested for stabilization, and will shoot 1/4" 10 shot groups from a bench, as well. That serves me (the 10 shot group) for field condiions. I've taken over 100 big game animals from antelope in Wyoming to big bucks in Northern BC, and used exactly 4 shots more than the game count. All four were second shots on downed animals. All the competitive shooters I know are first class game shots. We don't suffer from nerves - or we can't compete. Where life is involved, I'm even more careful and if I can't call the shot I don't take it. If I shoot, it's going down. I do NOT take running shots. Nor do I compete in running shot competitions. I'm not good at it.

The same standard shrinks about 30% for a competition centerfire, but will depend on the discipline it's being shot in, and the testing is much more rigorous. Ive shot many a 10 shot group with my competition Air Arms PCPs and Weirauch Springers. Even 15 or 20 shot groups. The guns will do it Spreading is always my fault, not the tools.

If it doesn't meet those standards, it's gone, georged!! There's always a good used market for premium used rifles and in the competition field depending on discipline, the the used price is often much higher than new. Very few competition users don't tune their rifles and replace parts.

Think pipes. Bet you've got a few pretty ones that smoke like ratspit, no matter what you put into it. I'm not into pretty rifles. The only interesting rifle is an accurate one (said Jack O'Connor).

Comepetitive shooters are anal, myself included.
 
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The only time I ever bench rest is when sighting in and working up loads. Otherwise, it’s three position. Benchrest tests the gun, three position tests the gun and the shooter. Of course, my right eye is pretty worthless anymore, so none of it matters.

And anything less than 8x10 is a miniature camera :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:.
 

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Sounds like you missed out on a fun (and historically fascinating) sub-species of competitive shooting, Mr. Gord: Blackpowder cartridge buffalo-hunt type stuff. Old Sharps and Sharps-type rifles, mostly. Those chonky bullets sure go slow, but the inherent stability of their mass allows for some astonishing artillery-style shooting. Dinner-plate-sized groups at 800-1000 yards w/ladder peep sights.
 

gord

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Sounds like you missed out on a fun (and historically fascinating) sub-species of competitive shooting, Mr. Gord: Blackpowder cartridge buffalo-hunt type stuff. Old Sharps and Sharps-type rifles, mostly. Those chonky bullets sure go slow, but the inherent stability of their mass allows for some astonishing artillery-style shooting. Dinner-plate-sized groups at 800-1000 yards w/ladder peep sights.
My good friend Daryl S is a world ranked 1000 yard muzzle loader guy (his brother is a world renowned gunsmith who builds them, and prices start at $15,000). He does that stuff. I'm not into that , , , , I'm a smallbore specialist and don't like the recoil factor. I shot big guns in the field (a 300 Weatherby and a .375 H&H) but field shooting is different. I now go after bear and deer with a .22-250 and a 45grain Barnes-X Triple shock. Put 'em in the boiler room or noggin and they go down just as fast.

What you can't tell from my avatar pic is that I'm a little guy. I graduated from highschool at 5'7" and 133 pounds. I'd be lying to you if I told you I'm 5'6" now . . . and getting shorter every day. I porked out in my 50's and smartened up in my mid 60's. Size translated into a somewhat aggressive attitude on the ice and field, but I'm now a wuss when it comes to recoil.

I'm 73 now and don't even enjoy carrying my 20 pound Weirauch springer from the parking lot to the smallbore range, let alone the pack with pellets and sandbags, and my rotating rest on top of that. Definitely wuss material now.
 
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Big-bore subsonics of any flavor are a lot of fun. Add a can and you’re ready for some great “Whoosh…Thwap!” adventures. Lots of casting and load development variables to pin down, too. And low recoil.
 
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I miss smallbore silhouette, but was a medium fish when the pond of the current Long Range Precison hoopla was still small.
Once I got a city job after the construction crash in ‘07 I couldn’t afford competition (sponsorships or not)-barrels and smiths aren’t cheap, and 10k rds a year isn’t part-divorce working man budget.

I took up hunting big game late in life, and now find myself really enjoying the hunt. Shooting is a tool, a skill, that I stay proficient with, but hunting is zen.
Currently looking forward to a late season archery elk hunt. I’ve been at full draw on one once, but noticed a small branch in my arrow’s path right before release, and the moment was gone.
I really want a solo archery bull before I’m too old to do it (and I’m getting close).
Anyway, thanks for sharing!
 

gord

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The only time I ever bench rest is when sighting in and working up loads. Otherwise, it’s three position. Benchrest tests the gun, three position tests the gun and the shooter. Of course, my right eye is pretty worthless anymore, so none of it matters.

And anything less than 8x10 is a miniature camera :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:.
I get the eye thing . . . three strokes about 15 years ago, and I lost my right (dominant) eye. Had to relearn everything left handed. And I shoot WAAYYYY better from that side. Do things right now, rather than the way if feels best to me. 😃
 

gord

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I get the eye thing . . . three strokes about 15 years ago, and I lost my right (dominant) eye. Had to relearn everything left handed. And I shoot WAAYYYY better from that side. Do things right now, rather than the way if feels best to me. 😃
Yeah, agreed. But 8x10s are a bitch in the field. I have an 8x10 Intrepid. And have you ever used an 8x10 enlarger? I don't even think a studio in Vancouver has one any more!
 

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Yeah, agreed. But 8x10s are a bitch in the field. I have an 8x10 Intrepid. And have you ever used an 8x10 enlarger? I don't even think a studio in Vancouver has one any more!
I had an 8x10 Deardorf for many years, with an assortment of old lenses. I sold it all to buy 35mm gear when my interests shifted to journalism. Spent 21 years working for a major paper. Sold all of my medium format, too. Kept the late model Crown Graphic with a 135 Fujinon. Nothing liike a 4x5 Leica! Lately I’ve been jonesing for a 6x9 or 6x12 back and a 65mm Super Angulon, but honestly, my darkroom days are over and done. I don’t have time to do all the shit I need to, let alone take on more.

And I don’t think the Crown ever had a 65mm focusing cam. The widest Linhof cam is 72mm.

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Yeah, agreed. But 8x10s are a bitch in the field. I have an 8x10 Intrepid. And have you ever used an 8x10 enlarger? I don't even think a studio in Vancouver has one any more!
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Love me some 8x10.
I’d have to take out a ceiling to make the enlarger fit. Similar problem with a Heidelberg Tango scanner, another wild-assed dream of mine. How do I move 500+ pounds up the steps to my second floor office?
 
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Love me some 8x10.
I’d have to take out a ceiling to make the enlarger fit. Similar problem with a Heidelberg Tango scanner, another wild-assed dream of mine. How do I move 500+ pounds up the steps to my second floor office?
I strongly considered a career in photography. I'll be posting more photographs in this section soon. I put myself through four degrees at University by doing weddings, working as a darkroom rat in the Really Big Prints Studio in Vancouver back in the 1970s. Even did some exhibitions of my photos and paintings. Looks like we have grist for a few PMs!! Thanks for your posts and stories! Was also the photo editor for the UBC student newspaper. Yes, 35mm has it's uses. Using Panatomic X or chromogenics can approach large format quality if you're meticulous.

Came close, but the career in music won out, lol. Regards, Gord

PS - how do you move a Tango up to the 2nd floor of your office? You don't!! :ROFLMAO:
 
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In my summer long camping excursion, I ended up at a campground in WI that had warnings for bears. I have never seen a bear in the wild and was quite excited to maybe see one.

The park ranger told me they didn't see them often, and said I REALLY wouldn't see one with my two dogs with me.

Alas no bears were seen that two weeks I was there. Still exciting though.
 
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