Strange, But True (Kaywoodie 5183B Rhodesian)

[Humblepipe]

Gents,

I am pretty sure this pipe is supposed to have a stinger. Could someone have welded the faceplate/ferrule/washer thing to the threaded stem insert? Really?!

 

[mso489]

Someone's done an industrial modification there. I wonder why. It's a tidy job, but it looks heavy handed.

 

[ssjones]

it looks like they did somehow afix the stinger end to the shank.
You could try holding the round edge with a pair of pliars and then using an ez-out to break the screw.
See this thread on removing the threaded insert:

September 5, 2014 – rebornpipes

3 posts published by upshallfan and rebornpipes on September 5, 2014

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[Briar Lee]

Here’s what I think.

The stinger is still in there, that’s the ribbed stem end that’s pulled out.

You hear me preach all the time about Lee’s improvements on the Kaywoodie, and here’s an example of why a Kaywoodie needed improving.

That ribbed piece sticking out, is supposed to be permanently press fitted at the factory into the stem (bit). Most never come out, and can only be turned by putting the stem in boiling hot water, which oxidizes it.

Lee made the stem metal part a screwed in piece. It’s difficult, but a Lee stem can be returned to synchronize with the shank.

The second improvement is that Kaywoodie pipes had an aluminum insert with a full sized ring that screwed in the shank of the pipe. In a Lee, it’s the same only it’s recessed. A Lee doesn’t show that silver ring like a Kaywoodie, so a Lee appears to be a push stem. On a Lee sub brand marked Pipe Maker, Lee used the old full aluminum ring type Kaywoodie female screw thread insert in the shank.

Also, a Lee stinger is removable, the Kaywoodie ball stinger is a permanent attachment to the ribbed screw that on that beautiful Kaywoodie,,,,has pulled clean out.

The stinger is still up inside the shank, unless it was cut off, and many were.

 

[Humblepipe]

Thanks, everyone. I will let you know how what the result is... I am intimidated.

 

[ssjones]

Once you get it apart, you'll also need to re-bend the stem.

 

[Humblepipe]

Once you get it apart, you'll also need to re-bend the stem.

I agree! I did note the stem had straightened out over the years...

 

[Briar Lee]

I agree! I did note the stem had straightened out over the years...

I doubt the stem bent. In days of old when a man expected a five dollar pipe to be perfect, each one had an individual stem made just for that pipe, that hung perfectly when clenched.

This chunky Apple saddle bit Three Star Lee has the same synchro stem and same stinger system as if that briar had been fashioned into a pipe by Kaywoodie.

But the Lee’s front fitment, is recessed, the fitment in the stem was screwed and not pressed in, and the stinger is removable.

I suspect your Kaywoodie’s stem was heated and bent to hang correctly and that last heating allowed the press fit stem fitment to let go.

But let’s see if you still have a stinger, when (and if) you can get it out. It’s screwed in, and years of smoking often sort of glues in the assembly,

And for some more bad news. I’ve had the front shank assembly on a Kaywoodie let go and come out, because it too, can be press fitted like the one in the stem. I suppose Lee screwed in both fitments, because neither ever pop out.