Pipe and Cigar bans

[smokey422]

For the last few years I have noticed an annoying trend. Restaurants and bars that still have smoking sections often only allow cigarette smoking, not pipes or cigars. To me this makes no sense at all, particularly in regards to pipes, because most pipe tobacco has a more pleasant aroma than cigarettes. When I am out in public I generally smoke one of my aromatic tobaccos and often get compliments on them. What's everyone else's thoughts on this?
Smokey

 

[olderthandirt]

Agreed it's a PITA but I s'pose I can see the sense of it.
Went to a local Indian casino some time back and ran into just this ban.

Fortunately I had snuff and snus to tide me over.
Can't speak to cigars but we all know there are many pipe blends that are absolutely the worst thing imaginable in room note. Lat bombs, Ennerdale and such.

The collective smell of the cig smoke is one thing but if the huge variety of smells produced from the various pipe blends were to be added in it could become disruptive to the majority present.

 

[juvat270]

Back in my restaurant working days I asked about why this is and was consistently given two answers. The first is the smell and the second was the volume of smoke produced by pipes and cigars.

 

[smokey422]

These are the pretty much the same replies I get every time I post about this in a pipe forum. I must be different somehow because I find cigarette smoke to be the most noxious smell of the three types.
Smokey

 

[dburrows]

I must be different somehow because I find cigarette smoke to be the most noxious smell of the three types.

I would agree with that.
I think it's certainly the right of the owner but believe it probably stems from more misinformation...

 

[tobakenist]

Smoking sections in Restaurants, whats that ?

 

[jpbass]

The People's Republic Of Maryland no longer allows smoking of any kind in a bar or restaurant; but when it did, I recall a couple places here in Baltimore that had signs, "no pipe or cigar smoking", which I thought was pretty crazy.
This is a weird story, and I actually wrote a song about it that I've recorded called "The Who Goes There of All Who Go". There was this one downtown bar I was in back in the mid 90's that had no sign about cigars, but I was smoking a Dutch Treat little cigar I think, and this door man who looked like a character out of a Charles Dickens book, with a black top hat long coat, and long hair sniffed it out (it was a crowded Saturday night, and the place was filled with people smoking). He comes up to me at the bar and asks me what I'm smoking. I reply, then he tells me, "the woman who owns this place is allergic to cigar smoke, so you can't smoke that in here." I said OK and promptly put it out. Then he did this real pretentious thing where he put his fingers to his lips like he was smoking in a cigarette and said something like, "in this bar we're of the cigarette", which I used for a line in the song.
My bandmate sitting next to me shared his pack of Marlboros with me (I still smoked cigs back then) and said "that's bull#%*#; I know the lady he is talking about and she is like 90 years old and hasn't set foot in this place in 20 years". His theory was that around this time is when the whole cigar thing was getting real hot and trendy and there were "cigar bars" popping up downtown, and this place which was kind of a pretentious artsy, fartsy hangout didn't want to be associated with all that.

 

[olderthandirt]

"in this bar we're of the cigarette",

Now that made me chuckle!

 

[jpbass]

The full lyrics to the song are:
He wore a tall hat and a cloak that touched the floor

Smoking cigarettes he stood inside the door

Asking simple questions of all the passersby

Asking who and what, yet never knowing why
Who goes there of all who go

Who goes there of all who go
In this bar we're of the cigarette

In this bar we love the cigarette

In this bar we're of the cigarette
He wore a tall hat and a cloak that touched the floor

Smoking cigarettes he stood inside the door

He's very content with things so far

Only please good sir don't smoke..........that cigar

 

[dylan793]

In this bar we're of the cigarette? What an odd thing to say. I sort of imagine, knights in the dark ages, with tunics over their chainmail emblazoned with a stylized cigarette descending from the clouds. "Sir, you have entered the land of the cigarette, bring not cigars unto our land" 8)

 

[jpbass]

In this bar we're of the cigarette? What an odd thing to say. I sort of imagine, knights in the dark ages, with tunics over their chainmail emblazoned with a stylized cigarette descending from the clouds. "Sir, you have entered the land of the cigarette, bring not cigars unto our land"

Exactly. The guy was totally bizarre. The hand gestures and his expression that went along with it were equally priceless.

 

[jpbass]

"Sir, you have entered the land of the cigarette, bring not cigars unto our land"

I can picture if Medieval Times had a smoking section, someone saying that in character.

 

[judcole]

A lot of smoking sections have been cig only for quite awhile. This is not new. TBH, I'd rather not be around it when I eat anyway. (And given my druthers I'd avoid cigarette smoke completely.)

 

[withnail]

Not some thing I have ever come across. Back in the good old days when smoking was an issue for the individual business owner, rather than the outright ban we now have, smoking was either allowed or not. I would agree that for a non-smoker, cigarette smoke is often the most offensive. I guess, as mentioned above, the look of large clouds of smoke coming from a cigar or pipe is what makes the owner want to ban them.

 

[smokenscotch]

Here in Canada, we've had those bans for years. It's much worse here, as they now are trying in certain towns, city's to ban smoking in all parks, walking trails, outside patios, etc. Our governments are basically running a communist, dictatorship style of governing. When I purchase pipe tobacco or cigars in my local tobacconist, I have to go OUTSIDE to light it up. How screwed up is that?