Peterson Rocky Donegal 999 - Trade w/Dave!

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ssjones

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If you saw Dave's post on a sale/trade for this pipe, start kicking yourself now for passing....
As mentioned in Dave's post about the Charatan I trade him, here is the lovely Peterson Rocky Donegal 999. Dave said his research revealed it was made in the 1950's. I've always admired the 999 shape, but had not yet encountered an older model that was in my budget. The fact that this one had a fishtail really sealed the deal for me. A perfectly executed deal with Dave. We exchanged emails, pictures and USPS tracking on the pipes we swapped. You can't ask for more than that, BUT Dave included some 20+ year old Ashton #2 I enjoyed as well! I now have a neat pipe and new pipe friend in Dave. I hope to meet and enjoy a smoke with him some day.
I know very little about Peterson pipes, so I inquired with a few knowledgeable brand members on the Smokers Forum. A thread there on the pipe stumped all of those folks, which astounded me. The puzzling aspect of the pipe was the "Sterling Silver" band that bore no dating hallmarks. No one knew why.
My Vancouver pipe restorer buddy, Steven Laug reached out to Dr. Mark Irwin for more info on my behalf. Dr. Irwin is writing the new Peterson book that is detailed in the recent issue of Pipe Smoker Unleashed and had all the answers. Info on the book is here in the August issue:

http://www.pipesmokerunleashed.com/index.php?pageid=psu_magazine
From my first request to Chuck W, a Peterson expert who is also collaborating on the book with Dr. Irwin:
Unfortunately, I can't help with the dating without actual hallmarks except to say the pipe was cut sometime after March 16, 1949, when Ireland finally declared itself a Republic. The K&P you see in the shields is the company logo and they still use it on silver mounts to this day. Peterson has told me that the lack of hallmarks "must have just slipped through the stamping process." I have my own opinion about that.

You are right about the condenser (stinger) being abandoned in the 1970's as was the brown finish. It's black now. Personally, I prefer the brown finish to the black.

I wish I could have been more help.
Steve then put me in touch with Mark Irwin, who with Chuck and a few others (Steve, the Second Hand Smoker guy, the head of the IPPC) are collaborating on a Peterson coffee table book. There is an article about the book on the new edition of “The Pipe Smoker Unleashed” . You can read and/or download it from their website:

http://www.pipesmokerunleashed.com/index.php?pageid=psu_magazine
I sent Mark some pictures of the pipe, box and pamphlet. As mentioned, the puzzling thing about the pipe is the band is marked Sterling Silver, but has no dating hallmarks. Mark said the pipe is a Rogers import pipe which were distributed only in the US. The date hallmarks, required in Ireland, weren’t required here. According to Mark, the pamphlet was introduced in 1955 and the box design was used until 1961, when it was changed. So, Mark says the pipe is definitely from the ’55 – ’61 era. He suspects due to the stinger design in the late 50’s, but he has nothing concrete to back up that hunch. ’55 to ’61 is close enough for me. I shared this with Chuck W and he agrees with Mark. Mark added this was a “Sterling” line of US Petersons, and he doesn't encounter many, certainly not in that nearly unsmoked condition. Having the box and Peterson pamphlet to help date the pipe were certainly rare and important factors.
Mark asked me to take some better pictures of the pipe, which I tried, but could not. I just don’t have the correct lighting and skills. Mark asked if I would be willing to send him the pipe/box and let them take professional quality pictures. He would like to include it in the book as the example of the 999 shape and listed "From the collection of Al Jones". Of course I was thrilled and agreed. I will ship him the pipe in two weeks, when he sets up a photo session. I’m a little nervous about shipping it back and forth, but it would be a shame not to include it in this book. I won’t smoke it anymore until it has been properly photographed. I did smoke two bowls of Chelsea Morning in it, with the stinger removed. It smoked well, but should improve with some more cake built. I’ve also read that Rocky Donegals take some time to break-in properly.
It was fascinating to learn this information about the pipe, which will be a cherished pipe on my rack.


 

crpntr1

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Sounds like a good swap and a fine looking pipe. I've made several trades with Dave so far and everyone has been just the same. Stand up guy he is.

 

spartan

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Now you just have to resist smoking it for a few weeks... no prob. *scratch scratch*

 

irishflake

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I love your pipe from Dave! I am definitely envious. Here are two Donegal Rocky hallmarked 1980 and 1981. As you can see, they are definitely brown. The top one has really attractive grain texture on it. The new ones are beastly ugly by comparison. I can't wait for that book to come out, but I have a serious Peterson habit and I fear it won't help me recover!
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shaintiques

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Yeah you suck! I offered him 3 different pipes, but they weren't what he was looking for. Glad you got something you love. I have a similar Pete, smooth from 1945 that I love. Smokes great, feels good in the hand and is a good clencher too. Enjoy!

 

shaintiques

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This is a good place for Pete info too.
http://thepetersonpipeproject.blogspot.com/2007/07/dating-peterons-pipes.html

 

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Thanks guys and Shantiques for that Peterson Pipe Project site. Sure enough, on their site is:

Peterson pipes with a sterling silver band that does not have hallmarks could have been made for the United States market since the United States only requires sterling silver to be stamped "sterling silver" or "sterling."

I dont see any mention of the Rogers Import pipes, but a little peak into the mystery of this one. Unfortunately, I think Mike Leverette might have passed away.
I'll report back when the pix are taken. Until then, it will be tough not to be able to smoke this one, but worth it.

 

ssjones

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I also emailed Peterson about the pipe as well, and three weeks later they respond with this. Not much of an effort. "What is a stinger".....better keep Angela just answering phones....
Dear Sir
The location of the Hallmarks were originally stamped to the left side of the words “Sterling Silver” and having examined the images that you sent to us, it appears that they have completely worn away.
Hallmarks are the most reliable way of dating a pipe and so we cannot confirm the date of manufacture.
I don’t understand what you mean by stinger?
Kind regards

Angela Fortune
Kapp & Peterson Limited

T/A Peterson of Dublin

Peterson House

Sallynoggin

Co. Dublin

Ireland
Telephone: +353-1-2851011

Fax: +353-1-2856593

Web: www.peterson.ie
Company Registration Number 32027

Registered in Dublin/Ireland

 

waznyf

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Great to hear you got a good pipe from that trade I'm happy for ya.

If ya ever wanna put it in better hands get a hold of me :D JK

Anyway, I hope she smokes well for ya.
....You would think that a Peterson employee would know what a stinger is... Oh well.

 

ssjones

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Well she did reply back that they were very aware of Dr. Irwin and the new book. The pipe gets shipped to him tomorrow to be photographed. She said they were lucky to have such a knowledgeable and passionate fan base.

 
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