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I have made several from soapstone. never used Catlinite. they are heavy, clumsy and look real neat! Smoke OK.
I used to make pipes from soapstone, not necessarily peace pipes, but they looked neat. You could smoke a well made peace pipe with a catlinite (pipestone) bowl, but really, you're talking $150 and up to $500 or more for a real one. Any of the cheap ones you'll find are probably much better for hanging on a wall looking cool.
Just getting the pipestone is a pain. I am enough Ojibway that I can trade a bit and only have sixty or seventy bucks in a block of catlinite.
Dont even bother with it if it isn't quarried by a Native American either. I bought some that was dug up outside the park, there were so many fractures in the block you couldn't find a piece bigger than your pinky to work with. And that was liable to crack before it was finished too.
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Use of Tobacco by the North American Indians and the use of the Catlinite Pipes.
(Find out why you should always remove you pipes' stems when not actually smoking.
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Use of Tobacco by the North American Indians and the use of the Catlinite Pipes.
(Find out why you should always remove you pipes' stems when not actually smoking.
)
My grandfather has two of them actually, one of which is sort of a family heirloom (the original owner wasn't part of the family but gave it to someone who was about 150 years ago) and the other is likely a bit newer but we don't really know the history of.
The first has been smoked at least once by every firstborn male of the family (myself included) -- though nobody from the generation before me -was- male so it didn't get smoked last generation -- and the second has never been smoked at all. The second one is kinda funny though. . .it's also a tomahawk.
From my one experience smoking one -- I really can't say anything, I didn't even smoke cigarettes yet at the time so it just kinda made me a little sick and that's all I even vaguely remember of the experience.
The first has been smoked at least once by every firstborn male of the family (myself included) -- though nobody from the generation before me -was- male so it didn't get smoked last generation -- and the second has never been smoked at all. The second one is kinda funny though. . .it's also a tomahawk.
From my one experience smoking one -- I really can't say anything, I didn't even smoke cigarettes yet at the time so it just kinda made me a little sick and that's all I even vaguely remember of the experience.
Well my grandpa is the one who owns them for a while yet I hope (at least 40 more years if my great-grandfather's seemingly endless life is a judge heh heh) but I plan to keep them in the family to be sure.
Oh! I just remembered the lads who I used to buy from when I was in the Adobe Wall Dancers (its. . .like Boy-scouts, but aimed at native-american culture. . . well, moreso anyway. Oh and you dance)-- You guys might have a look at Crazy Crow (crazycrow.com) for some of the cheaper stone pipes (and some not-so cheap ones actually) as well as all kinds of cool outdoorsy stuff (knives, and real camping gear not least among their stuff).
Oh, and you can get some stone from them too, dunno how the quality is since I've never ordered any pipe stuff from them -- but I can certainly vouch for the quality of basically everything else they sell, so I figure they're a safe bet for pipe stuff too.
http://www.crazycrow.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=CCTP&Product_Code=6503-101&Category_Code=833-000-000 -- slabbed pipestone
http://www.crazycrow.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=833-000-000 -- pipes (there's a page 2 as well)
Actually. . I think I'm going to get a few of those cedar pipestems to put in these two dozen or so 1800's clays that had separate stems (but don't have any stem now :P) -- they've also got some great prices on their clays come to think. . .dammit why'd you people make me look up another pipe-seller! I'm broke as it is man! heh heh heh
Oh! I just remembered the lads who I used to buy from when I was in the Adobe Wall Dancers (its. . .like Boy-scouts, but aimed at native-american culture. . . well, moreso anyway. Oh and you dance)-- You guys might have a look at Crazy Crow (crazycrow.com) for some of the cheaper stone pipes (and some not-so cheap ones actually) as well as all kinds of cool outdoorsy stuff (knives, and real camping gear not least among their stuff).
Oh, and you can get some stone from them too, dunno how the quality is since I've never ordered any pipe stuff from them -- but I can certainly vouch for the quality of basically everything else they sell, so I figure they're a safe bet for pipe stuff too.
http://www.crazycrow.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=CCTP&Product_Code=6503-101&Category_Code=833-000-000 -- slabbed pipestone
http://www.crazycrow.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=833-000-000 -- pipes (there's a page 2 as well)
Actually. . I think I'm going to get a few of those cedar pipestems to put in these two dozen or so 1800's clays that had separate stems (but don't have any stem now :P) -- they've also got some great prices on their clays come to think. . .dammit why'd you people make me look up another pipe-seller! I'm broke as it is man! heh heh heh
That's really neat about you heirloom pipe yoru.
I saw a bunch of peace-pipes at the "Red Fern Festival" here in Tahlequah today, they were made by a local Cherokee from deer antler and river reeds. I guess the guy used local traditions for his pipes, but they sure weren't as impressive as the stone and cedar pipes like the plains indian tribes made. I'm willing to bet from looking at them they would smoke very poorly.
Thanks for the links guys. I will be looking into these a bit tonight when I have more time.
I saw a bunch of peace-pipes at the "Red Fern Festival" here in Tahlequah today, they were made by a local Cherokee from deer antler and river reeds. I guess the guy used local traditions for his pipes, but they sure weren't as impressive as the stone and cedar pipes like the plains indian tribes made. I'm willing to bet from looking at them they would smoke very poorly.
Thanks for the links guys. I will be looking into these a bit tonight when I have more time.
I've got two very nice slabs. however I've only made one pipe out of a part of one slab so far.
This is a link to the process I did a couple years ago.
catlinite / pipestone work 1
I made my large and heavy on purpose. I didn't want a thin breakable pipe. :D
This is a link to the process I did a couple years ago.
catlinite / pipestone work 1
I made my large and heavy on purpose. I didn't want a thin breakable pipe. :D
Nicely done! On the soapstone pipes which tend to be a bit fragile I often inlay pewter near the stem hole for added support.
I have one that my paternal grandmother gave me. She was Apache. She claimed it was made in the 1800s. From the look of it it could have been.it smokes pretty well.
pewter isn't all that hard itself yeh know Arthur -- but I'm sure it works better than my brain is wanting to think it does n.n.
That's a nice pipe wolfscout, wouldn't mind getting my hands on a catlimite myself one of these days -- I mean one that I get to smoke more than once for each generation I live through in my family that has a firstborn. . .I expect to live through 2 more generations, maybe 3, but doubt if I see more than one son out of the whole mess -- men are rare in both sides of my family is the short version of it.
That's a nice pipe wolfscout, wouldn't mind getting my hands on a catlimite myself one of these days -- I mean one that I get to smoke more than once for each generation I live through in my family that has a firstborn. . .I expect to live through 2 more generations, maybe 3, but doubt if I see more than one son out of the whole mess -- men are rare in both sides of my family is the short version of it.
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