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brian64

Lifer
Jan 31, 2011
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According to pipedia:
"In 1922 the Parker Pipe Co Limited was formed by Alfred Dunhill to finish and market what Dunhill called its "failings" or what has come to be called by collectors as seconds."
Does anyone know much about Parker pipes today, and are they in any way still connected with Dunhill?

 

pstlpkr

Lifer
Dec 14, 2009
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Birmingham, AL
This is the only reference that I can find to address your query.

"Many blocks of briar want to grow up and be Dunhills. Some graduate to Dunhill status, and others end up as Parkers (if there is a flaw). Sometimes, though, the flaw actually disappears during finishing,"

Smokingpipes.com

 

brian64

Lifer
Jan 31, 2011
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Thanks Lawrence. That being an estate pipe, it might date back to when Parkers were definitely Dunhill seconds. Pipedia indicated that the relationship between the companies began to drift apart in the 50's I think it said. I can't find much current info on the company though, and it appears the new Parkers probably have no connection with Dunhill...not sure though.

 

brian64

Lifer
Jan 31, 2011
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If they still are Dunhill seconds, they're a steal for the price...about 1/10th that of a Dunhill.

 

connolse

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Feb 20, 2010
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My understanding of the situation is that Parker and Hardcastle are part of the larger Dunhill company, and in fact are made in the same factory as Dunhills. I don't know to what degree they can be called 'seconds,' i.e. using bowls originally made for Dunhills but somehow found wanting, but both Parker and Harcastle pipes are, in my experience, solid and well made low to mid range pipes.
I have a single Parker, a black sandblast Jockey Club, which for its humble price is an excellent smoker, though a little small for my normal preferences. I also have five Harcastles of different sorts, two Royal Bruyere, two Regency, and one Russet. The Russet is an especially nice pipe, and could well, judging by the size and shape of the bowl, be a Dunhill 'second.'
In short, I would strongly recommend Parker and Hardcastle as excellent English pipes in the low to mid price range.
I find it interesting, btw, that the new Ben Wade are also made on commission in the Dunhill factory. They too are usually great pipes, especially if you're looking for some larger, group 5-6 or even ODA sizes. There is clearly some overlap between the Ben Wade and Hardcastle lines, for example, as I own two Hardcastle Regency pipes where the exact same bowl shape is to be found in slightly pricier Ben Wade Chesham line. My guess is that the slightly flawed bowls are used for the Harcastle, the better ones for Wade.
Though I don't know exactly where Britannia pipes are now made, I have made the same observation there--Ben Wade and Britannia pipes with identical bowl shapes, e.g. Ben Wade Ruby and Britannia Yellow Stone.
So, Parker Hardcastle is definitely a Dunhill product, Ben Wade pipes are made in the same factory, and I SUSPECT at least some Britannia pipes are made there as well.

 

brian64

Lifer
Jan 31, 2011
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connolse: Thank you for that information! Very interesting...and will certainly help in choosing between those brands should I decide to purchase.

 

davesussex

Lurker
Apr 3, 2011
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Ive got a parker jockey club pipe, got it a couple of weeks ago for £10 in a pipe shop thats relocating and selling alot of its stock off cheap, its a really good smoke.

 

subperceptual

Lurker
Oct 31, 2011
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Plot thickens more? I have a Britannia/Parker Jockey Club ;o)
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... got it before I saw the Parker Jockey Club at CupOJoes ... LOL

 

Briar Boy

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Apr 8, 2013
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I ordered this Parker Jockey Club Poker tonight, hopefully the drilling is not the flaw, we shall see, as others stated it was about 1/10th the cost of the similar model with the Dunhill name, will give an update when she arrives...

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mso489

Lifer
Feb 21, 2013
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astrange1, I bought that Parker from COJ about a year ago. It's a good little pipe. It took me quite a few bowls

to pipe-cleaner the bowl coating out of the stem, but it's a nice lightweight pipe that's well drilled and a nice

clencher. It's not quite up to my Britannia, but I like the shape, fit and finish.
I'm skeptical that there are any Dunhill seconds, per se, off the shop floor, though Parker and Hardcastle may get

some briar that isn't "ready for prime time" in the Dunhills. I don't see any of the Dunhill shapes sold as other

brands.

 
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