No Smoking Allowed at Just For Him - Not by Choice

[admin]

Just For Him, a full-line retail tobacconist and men's gift store can no longer smoke in their store because of an indoor smoking ban. They are also the makers of the popular Middle-Earth Pipeweed Series, which includes blends such as; Longbottom Leaf, Old Toby, Treebeard, Shortcut To Mushrooms, and Ruins Of Isengard.
Our only guy on staff that will actually have a real Journalism degree next year, Carter Lyles, covers the story in his piece;
"A City on the Back-End of Tomorrow".

 

[romeowood]

$90000 from the ACS. Follow the money. Demand full disclosure on the expenditure of those funds.

It will be a great day when being a city councilman is as dangerous a job as being a minefield sweeper in Iraq.

 

[lordofthepiperings]

I don't see why bars don't just do what the one connected to the ice rink I play hockey at does. They let you smoke but only at the bar. So the smoke generally stays in that area, and if you don't want to be around the smoke you just sit on the floor away from the bar. Haven't heard of anyone complaining yet. Things like this though really bug me, because nobody ever states the fact that the non-smokers are just annoyed with the cigarette smoke. How often does anyone complain about pipe smoke? Probably nine times out of ten we're approached with "I love that smell". Ah well, I'll just have to remember to steer clear of Missouri until they revoke that law.

 

[nathaniel]

Lame...

 

[ace57]

Just how far will this go? (no driving on roads) (no swimming in pools) (no walking on your grass) Just how far? :crazy:

 

[misterrogers]

I think it's fair to say that logic and reason are dead in Springfield Missouri.

 

[admin]

Can you guys comment on the article please.

 

[spartan]

Things like this though really bug me, because nobody ever states the fact that the non-smokers are just annoyed with the cigarette smoke. How often does anyone complain about pipe smoke? Probably nine times out of ten we're approached with "I love that smell". -Lordofthepipers

Even though this may be true we must stand by all our Brothers of the Leaf. I'm sure I can find a few pipe blends that would kill even the most seasoned cig smoker. ::

 

[mlaug]

Just For Him and I haven't been able to have any kind of relationship and it hasn't been for lack of trying on my end. At this point, I couldn't work up the smallest amount of care for their plight.
F 'em. :x

 

[spartan]

It's not just a loss for Just For Him; it's a loss for all of us. One Battle lost in the War. This is a War ladies & gentlemen.

 

[bubbadreier]

mlaug, tell us how you really feel!

 

[mlaug]

hehehe....that's why I didn't post on the article page. :mrgreen:
It violates the spirit and purpose of the information.
Yes, its a bad deal.

Yes, its another example of the intrusive nature of government.
No, they won't ship to Iowa.

No, they won't tell me why.
There are super duper site sponsers listed in the frame on the left hand side of your screen....go patronize them.

 

[creekspecter]

It's an outstanding article that doesn't just point out the injustice of Springfield's law, but leads into the hideous injustice of this fervent anti-smoking social fascism that's been pressed on this country for fifty years. If an establishment is maintained where either the primary (tobacconist) or secondary (bar, lounge) purpose is tied together with the enjoyment of tobacco, what is the justification to force those private owner-citizens to modify or change or abandon their business to conform to regulations imposed by rabid attacks from people who wouldn't frequent those establishments anyway? Where's the rationale? "Well, gee, I like the trinkets and doodads you sell (at least one of the shops in Austin sells Lampe Bergere and mens sundries as well as cigars and pipe tobacco)but you sell that devil weed! Stop it!" They don't have to buy from that store. they don't even have to recognize it exists. No one is forcing non-smokers to hang out in places where smoking is allowed. there are plenty of other places for them to go.
This article just reinforced my anger toward smoking Nazis. I'm going to go light up a pipe. And yes, it will have a Just for Him blend in it.

 

[spyder71]

Living in Michigan I know just hoe far this can go. My private members only lodge was forced to comply with a no indoor smoking law. Really? In a PRIVATE club? You have a choice to be a member in an establishment that allows smoking! Don't like smoke you say? Then don't apply!!!! Over the last ten years our membership has voted 3 times on this issue. All three times our we chose to allow smoking in the social quarters. Of course Big Brother knew better than we did as far as running our PRIVATE lodge, and now there is no smoking indoors! Sorry...I fought this one hard to no avail and it still gets under my skin...

On the bright side, my local B&M was grandfathered in to a clause that allows smoking. But if they move, no smoking. So if you sell tobacco you can smoke IN the shop. But I still cant mix a drink at the local booze stop :crazy:

They don't plan on moving and have a very nice smoking lounge so I guess I will take what I can get! :puffpipe:

 

[baldy]

You Americans have no idea how fortunate you are to still have smoking lounge, cigar bars and are able to smoke at a B&M "tobacco" store. Here in Canada your typical smoking places are your car, garage, or outside. Outside sucks when it's raining or temp goes below freezing.

 

[bootlegbonvivant]

Actually, I think we know how fortunate we are, that is why we're trying to keep it that way. In many places in this country, it's like as you say it is in Canada.
If we don't keep each other informed and keep fighting against the nanny state, then we'll become just like Canada and most, if not all, of Europe in this regard.

 

[spyder71]

Actually, I think we know how fortunate we are, that is why we're trying to keep it that way. In many places in this country, it's like as you say it is in Canada.
If we don't keep each other informed and keep fighting against the nanny state, then we'll become just like Canada and most, if not all, of Europe in this regard.

+1

 

[tslex]

Kevin, I'm not a land use or zoning specialist -- and the JFH owners have likely explored all this -- but it is difficult to imagine they would not have at least a colorable case to force the city to grandfather them in. Smoking in the shop seems a core business activity for them -- both with respect to customers and blending -- so this seems at first look to be a "taking" of pretty substantial property right.
The point is that being grandfathered in under a new law requires a much lower standard than seeking an "exception" to an existing law.
I realize lawyers cost money -- how else can we buy tobacco -- but especially if the carefully joined forces wth other businesses, they might find it worth their while. (Joining forces can be risky though. JFH has it's on very good case(with the blending operations) and would not not to weaken that by associating with others with a lesser claim.)
Anyway, please pass the message along. I can offer them some advice on how to find the kind of lawyer they need, or -- likely better -- any lawyers they know will likely know the right guy.

 

[jimbo]

“Of the $90,000 that was donated in support of the ordinance, only between $100 and $500 was raised locally, whereas ALL of the money raised for the opposition came from local support. The remainder of the money raised in support of Council Bill 2010-180 came from donations from the American Cancer Society.”
What does this say? Do people really want to retain local control, or give it away to some faceless money-grubbing outside organization? Amazing the people don’t see that.
Yet it was a similar story in San Angelo Texas last year when the voters approved nearly 3 to 1 a blanket smoking ban sponsored by the cancer society and their local lickspittles. The city council tossed a few crumbs to the opposition (allowing the local quality tobacco shop to REMAIN OPEN instead of closing it because it’s not “free-standing” and removing the phase-out of ALL smoking rooms in motels) but the main thrust, eliminating smoking from all other businesses and within 20 feet of entrances remains intact.
I support Springfield’s tobacco merchants in begging for a few crumbs in order to remain open, but the smoking ban should be struck down in totality. Let the marketplace (the merchants and their patrons) decide where to go and what to do.
Second hand smoke may be annoying to some people, but it’s NOT going to kill them. If smoking were as dangerous as the cancer society says it is, all the smokers would have died out years ago!

 

[smokey422]

IMHO the article is excellent in covering this situation. I must say that this is very disappointing to me because Just For Him is my favorite B&M in this state, even though I live 175 miles away. I used to have a granddaughter that lived in Springfield and I would stop by JFH every time I went down to visit her. They have a very nice smoking lounge and a few really good house blends. My Bing's Favorite pipe came from there and my wife used to love the aroma of their Golden Cashmere VA/Per when I could still smoke around her. (She has COPD now and her lungs are very weak). It doesn't surprise me that outsider money financed most of the campaign for this ordinance. Lobbying money is ruining this ocuntry, from our Congress and Executive branch clear down to the county level.
Smokey