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allan

Lifer
Dec 5, 2012
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In the last year since joining the forum, I've tried many different blends of tobacco. I currently have about thirty mason jars of Va's and 'English' types, including the Oriental blends. Whenever a member suggests a 'must try', I promptly order it on the next full TAD order.
Tuesday night at the NYC pipe club meeting, a new member Rudy brought in some tobacco tins that he had since the 1970's that were laying around. He stopped smoking pipes because his daughter was severely allergic to smoke and now that she is out of the house, he picked up the hobby again.
He brought in a tin of 'Balkan Sobranie Mixture No. 759'. It was nearly full. He told me that it was very rare, and currently difficult to find anywhere. A lot of members bring in great tins of different blends and often times I try a some and test them out.
Well members of this great forum, I filled up my Rad Davis sandblasted Dublin with this mixture, and at the first charring light, I knew something was special. By the time the pipe was full going, I could not believe the smoothness and rich flavor that was coming into my mouth and nostrils. Please note that I had not been drinking, and I had not eaten dinner as yet. I really do not comment on tobaccos on this forum because I lack the ability to describe my palate in the elegant way others can. I either like it or not.
But this blend is totally different from the other English blends I'm smoking currently. For me to describe the difference, it would be like comparing Jack Daniel's to Makers Mark. Or Wild Turkey to Michter's Bourbon. (no offense to those who like Jack and wild turkey :))
I asked Rudy where he got it, and I don't think he remembered where (so many years ago). I offered to buy it immediately and he said the tin was going for hundreds of dollars, if you could find it. I wasn't prepared to spend that kind of money, yet I needed to have it. So I asked him, 'How much?". 'Take it' he said.
I said,"I can't just take it, let me pay you something for it". He simply said he was happy to find a place where pipe smokers gather and just talk about pipes, tobacco and life.
I gave him my business card (I'm a jeweler in the Bronx) and said for him to please visit me so I could return the favor.
Was it my imagination? Was it a special day or evening that made me feel this way? We all know how it is that a certain blend can be wonderful one afternoon, and not so great the next evening, for whatever reason.
The next day I took the tin with me to De La Concha with a friend and we both tried it. It truly is unbelievably sweet, tasty,mild, and every other thing I can't describe in words.
I went online to try to find this blend, and I've concluded it just doesn't exist anymore. Even Tobacco Reviews doesn't list it.
I will keep searching for it and please wish me luck.

 

romeowood

Lifer
Jan 1, 2011
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My condolences, Allan. You've gotten hooked on the pipe smoker's bane with that 759. You'll pay absurd prices for any tins that surface on the resale market--the bay and pipestud, to mention a couple sources where they can irregularly be found. For the sake of your sanity and wallet, search for a currently produced blend in this flavor profile, and keep an eye out for the rare bargain you may find on the 759--and don't bemoan the loss of the blend. Good luck, buddy.

 

peter70

Starting to Get Obsessed
May 24, 2013
175
1
I had a pouch of BS 759 many years ago and it was the best Latakia mixture, I can remember. Actually I have more or less stopped smoking these blends, as I have found none coming close to it. Still I never felt inclined to pay high sums to get another tin of it.
Kind regards,

Peter

 
Jan 8, 2013
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Might I suggest Black House which was blended to emulate a 23 year old tin of the blend? Or perhaps Sutliff Balkan Luxury Blend 957, also blended with the same purpose? Or McClelland's Blue Mountain? The three were in a contest and Black House won the judges vote. Blue Mountain won the people's choice. From what I understand Black House is the closest of the three. I've smoked all three, but can't personally compare them to Balkan Sobranie as I've never smoked it. Black House is my favorite of the three, mainly because I just fell in love with it upon first smoke and it has become my favorite blend of anything I've smoked. All three blends are actually quite different. Blue Mountain is insanely good, and has earned a top spot in my rotation right along Black House.
I recently wrote up a bit of a review on the three here... http://pipesmagazine.com/forums/topic/black-house-blue-mountain-and-balkan-luxury-blend-957
It may not be as in depth as some other's reviews but it's the best I could do.

 
May 31, 2012
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Great story allan, thanks for sharing it with us.
Your experience is both a blessing and a curse - bless'd to have the oppo to taste that "nectar of ye gods" and curs'd because the remaining sealed tins regularly sell for $300+
Sobranie 759 has universally been largely accepted as the "best of all time" and there's a fierce competition in acquiring any that surfaces for sale. I've never smoked it and probably never will. I have smoked Black House, which was based on late-production Gallaher made 759, and find it to be a wonderful smoke and won the award from some very astute judges at the Throwdown to be a close match...

http://www.talkingtobacco.com/2011/11/the-origin-of-blackhouse-pipe-tobacco/
However, 759 simply cannot be "reconstructed" due in large part to the lack of certain exotic orientals which are no longer available, add to that the House of Sobranie had some very special treatments for making magic with their processing, and you see why folks are willing to pay big bucks for it nowadays.
It is crucial, if you are going to actively seek this stuff out, that you be well-versed with all the historical aspects of the blend, there is no better source than Jon Guss's most excellent A History of Sobranie and its Pipe Tobacco Blends, which you can find here:

http://www.apassionforpipes.com/vintages-project/
You may also seek out GLPease's articles on the topic, especially in regard to how there are quite a few variants involved with all the different vintages and other relevant observations from hard-won experience.
btw,

TR has it, here:

http://www.tobaccoreviews.com/blend_detail.cfm?ALPHA=7&TID=1069
Congrats on your wonderful experience and three cheers for Rudy!
RUDY GOT SOUL !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_kFOhOo-Uo

 

allan

Lifer
Dec 5, 2012
2,429
7
Bronx, NY
Gentlemen

Thank you all for your sympathy (LOL) and recommendations toward other possibly comparable blends
I've certainly heard of black house but I thought it was an aro due to some 'juicey fruit' type additives? A review I read I think on tobacco reviews
Thanks mister lowercase for the articles
I will read each one of them

 

allan

Lifer
Dec 5, 2012
2,429
7
Bronx, NY
@freehand
I will order a tin of the Abington and give that a try also
Ah, I just read your post about black house
Well I might as well order one of those anyway
Thanks

 
Dec 24, 2012
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Pipestud was nice enough to send me a sample of BS recently, from the early 80s. I plan to try it over Christmas. I really hope that I hate it. :puffy:

 

mso489

Lifer
Feb 21, 2013
41,211
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I don't doubt it was an elixir of a blend in the first place, but aging does its magic too. Contrary to common wisdom,

I've even come back to some very ordinary aromatics after a long time when they were't even stored properly and been

amazed at how much they'd improved. As the old song says, "time is on my side, yes it is." With tobacco that starts out

exceptional, aging can make it ecstatic.

 

mso489

Lifer
Feb 21, 2013
41,211
60,647
freehand, you're right. Keeping something around doesn't guarantee magic. Sometimes it just gets stale.

I'm reporting the happy experiences here, but sometimes tobacco just dries up and becomes compost.

 

doctorthoss

Part of the Furniture Now
Oct 6, 2011
618
10
If you're looking for a tobacco that is close to 759, I'd have to second the earlier recommendation of GL Pease's Abingdon. It's not a perfect clone, of course, but GLP blended it to be as close as possible to a match from a batch from the 1970s. Regardless of how close it comes to the mark, it is a superlative tobacco blend on its own.

 

ejames

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
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Sounds to me,as was said above, a blessing and a curse! Would that be Rudy G. of Baldwin?

 

cigrmaster

Lifer
May 26, 2012
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Sarasota Florida
Allan, congrats on getting to smoke what many feel is the best English blend ever produced. You should savor that tin and make sure that it never dries out on you. In regards to getting more, be prepared to spend over 400.00 for a tin if and when you can find one.
I personally do not think any tobacco is worth that kind of money, but that is me. I would grab a few of the suggestions you have gotten and see which one is closest. I would also suggest, trying the Sobranie in your large Upshall as I believe that pipe will smoke it really well. A bigger pipe with a larger interior bowl width should let that blend really open up for you. If you do decide to try it, let me know what you think. Another one of your pipes that could be very good is your Castello.

 

phred

Lifer
Dec 11, 2012
1,754
5
I've certainly heard of black house but I thought it was an aro due to some 'juicey fruit' type additives?
Black House certainly has an aroma (my wife is reminded of Lapsang Souchon tea brewing over a campfire), but "juicy fruit" is one of the last phrases I'd use to describe it... :D

 

plateauguy

Lifer
Mar 19, 2013
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I'm not a Latakia smoker, but I read a book that was set in the 1920's Europe and they all smoked Sobranie cigerettes. Out of curiosity, was it the same thing, or just the same maker, or neither?
Have any of you tried Europe to see if it's still available?

 

judcole

Lifer
Sep 14, 2011
7,485
39,397
Detroit
The old Balkan Sobranie Blends - Original, 759, and No. 10 Virginia - are long gone. Period. They are not available anywhere, other than through vintage tin sales. Sobranie cigarettes were made by the same company.
There is a blend, now, called Balkan Sobranie. I would like to try it, because I smoked a ton of the old Sobranie Original back in the early 70s, but it always seems to be sold out.

There is also Balkan Saseini, which I smoked a lot of at one time, but not recently. I intend to revisit it, soon.
Black House and Blue Mountain are extremely good smokes; I tend to prefer Blue Mountain, myself. They are modeled after 759, as was pointed out above, while the current Sobranie and Sasieni are modeled after Original.

 
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