I too am in Macomb, a bit away from Oakland County, but I can go as far as Rochester, Birmingham, or Bloomfield Hills. In fact, every few years I go to the Manresa Jesuit retreat house in Bloomfield Hills. Can any of you other gentlemen meet in these areas, or closer to Macomb County? And Jud, are you interested in a meeting? Your post doesn't indicate. If we can get a few more, maybe we can make this happen. Dave, you are very generous: I would think we would all pitch in if you want to be host. I personally think that would be an ideal setup, if it works with the rest of you.