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masked1

Might Stick Around
Jan 2, 2012
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Looking at estate pipes to restore and it is a Londoner? Im inexperienced but I still havent heard of it. Anyone heard of/owned one before?

 

masked1

Might Stick Around
Jan 2, 2012
57
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Would it be worth investing 18 dollars for as a restoration project for a novice?

 

pentangle

Part of the Furniture Now
Jan 21, 2011
548
1
Genova-Italy
If you mean the one with a "L" on stem i have one on the way even i don't know much about it.The londoner made by Barling is another thing for sure

here is mine is like that you whould own?
http://www.ebay.it/itm/310366899655?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649#ht_833wt_1396

 

masked1

Might Stick Around
Jan 2, 2012
57
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Pentangle: The one im looking at has a rounder bowl bowl but essentially the same thing. Would you recommend?

 

pentangle

Part of the Furniture Now
Jan 21, 2011
548
1
Genova-Italy
18 dollars are much less than the cost of a SG tin here in Italy .Can a pipe cost less than tobacco? How could be a bad investment?

 

pentangle

Part of the Furniture Now
Jan 21, 2011
548
1
Genova-Italy
"Mine doesn't have the "L" on the stem"

Probably is another thing or maybe simply buffed away , you know 50 years are a lot of time

 

mattmars

Starting to Get Obsessed
Sep 13, 2011
166
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If it is a barling, was it made in England or Denmark? My londoner is marked 411T and made in Denmark so it is post transition. I just finished cleaning mine up yesterday and it makes a great flake smoker. I recommend it!

 

vlodko

Starting to Get Obsessed
Sep 25, 2013
107
17
Ukraine
I have obtained recently another one LONDONER LONDON.ENGLAND pipe without any logos on the stem. The pipe is from a quite old collection, there were also Barling's Guinea (pre transition) pipes and some other interesting items. I attach pictures of the pipe.
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I am slightly confused now. According to pipedia Londoner is definitely a post transition brand and should have been made somewhere in Denmark or Italy. Pipephil represents two different Londoner's, one of them is London.England as well. There's nothing about period at pipephil, just a mentions that Londoner's have been made after 1962.
The quality of briar is really good, the stem is the same kind as stems on pre transition Guinea.
Does anyone know anything new about the Londoner subbrand since the last conversations here?

 

agnosticpipe

Lifer
Nov 3, 2013
3,407
3,811
In the sticks in Mississippi
I saw this post and realized I also have one of these pipes. I learned everything I know about it just now, reading these posts. I'm posting a couple of pictures of my pipe, just in case it helps with the discussion. It's a small prince shape, and smokes well, but has a small bowl, so I only use it when I want a short smoke. Hope this helps rather than confuses the process.
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sablebrush52

The Bard Of Barlings
Jun 15, 2013
20,523
48,139
Southern Oregon
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The Londoner was a budget line of pipes made by Barling during the Post Transition era. Checking "Who Made That Pipe?" reveals no other makers. It would appear from the Pipephil site that the Londoner name was also used later for the Barling seconds line - BB & S - as well. I seem to recall that it was introduced in the 1970's. I'm not aware of any Londoners made in either Italy or France, just England and Denmark.
I'm including a leaflet for the Londoner line of pipes that was probably printed around 1968 or later, when the offices were moved to Liverpool. The stem logo is different than the earlier pipes.
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sablebrush52

The Bard Of Barlings
Jun 15, 2013
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A couple of corrections to my earlier post. The Londoner must have been introduced prior to 1970, since the Park Lane address is included on the box. That factory was closed around 1970. The leaflet is 1970 or later.

 

vlodko

Starting to Get Obsessed
Sep 25, 2013
107
17
Ukraine
Dear Sablebrush & Agnosticpipe,
thanks a lot for responding to my post. My last guess is that it could be a pipe produced exactly before moving the production abroad, therefore it's still English but not Italian Londoner (that I mentioned under two Londoners) and the pipe is without logos on its stem. Consequently could it be the first half of 1960s?
Regardless the dating. I've tried to renew the pipe and now attach some pictures. Unfortunately its previous owner was not quite careful with a lighter or matches, therefore there's still some darkening around the ream. But I really would be grateful for your comments and remarks.
Good luck!
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sablebrush52

The Bard Of Barlings
Jun 15, 2013
20,523
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Southern Oregon
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Consequently could it be the first half of 1960s?
No. When Barling introduced its new lines of pipes in late 1962, they didn't include any of the models, like Londoner, that referred to specifically British themes. That came later. The lack of a logo could be because it was buffed off, or the stem replaced. It doesn't signify anything definite.

 

vlodko

Starting to Get Obsessed
Sep 25, 2013
107
17
Ukraine
Sablebrush,
thank you once again. I really need to think of getting the Barling's catalogue. :idea:

 

sablebrush52

The Bard Of Barlings
Jun 15, 2013
20,523
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Southern Oregon
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Which one? Barling put out two full catalogs in 1962, both of which turn up from time to time on ebay. They also pubished a lot of pamphlets, one of which I uploaded. Then there's the one that I restored and published from around 1918, or earlier. They published a number of catalogs, starting around 1904, but I haven't heard of any that have turned up.

 

vlodko

Starting to Get Obsessed
Sep 25, 2013
107
17
Ukraine
Sablebrush,
That may sound stupid but I don't know (yet) which one and what the difference between two catalogs published in 1962. But I really like Barling pipes, at least these few ones from the middle of XX century which I have collected and I feel that the general information from popular sites is already not enough for me.
So I am trying to go further, and I am seeking for any new sources and any advices and directions would be of a help.
I saw what you wrote about restoration of an early pre transition document and I do really impressed because I can imagine what the piece of work you did. As far I understand it does touch period not later that 1920s, correct? Would it be helpful for such a newcomer like me?

 
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