Is this a Rhodesian Shape?

[aquadoc]

I am having a hard time with the Bulldog, Prince, Tomato, and Rhodesian shapes. Is this a Rhodesian? Is the bend forward typical?

 

[davet]

That would be a Rhodesian in my opinion, round shank. Diamond shank would be a Bulldog.

 

[aquadoc]

Thank you. So the only difference is a taller bowl and diamond shank for a bulldog or just the diamond shank?

 

[jpmcwjr]

Bulldog, Prince, Tomato, and Rhodesian shapes!

- you might even be able to include Dublin for the forward cant, however slight. A nice mongrel, though!

 

[davet]

A lot of it is subjective I think. I would call it a squat Rhodesian. Try Google for "pipe shape chart" you will get many to look through.

 

[aquadoc]

Yes, that is the problem...and they all look a bit different. I am trying to find a Weber catalog pdf since this is a Weber. This is another bargain my wife found me for really cheap on the bay. I think she sees my boredom and since she bought me one that turned out to be a steal, she is buying me any she finds that she thinks is a bargain. LOL. I wish I had left the computer open to a Dunhill. Obviously, this would not be happening.
Thanks for the help.

 

[papipeguy]

The length of the stem and bowl shape speaks "prince" to me but your initial question does provoke the ongoing debate about the nebulous definition of shapes these days. Cool pipe nonetheless.

 

[davet]

 

[aquadoc]

That is a great graphic. What I cannot get past is the angular nature of the Rhodesian and the Bulldog. This pipe does not seem to have those hard angles. And the cant forward is different. But I do not have it in hand so maybe it will be easier to judge when I can hold it.

 

[gloucesterman]

Traditionally the Rhodesian has a round shank with a double tapered bowl. The pipe you have in the picture clearly fits that definition, it's longer stem and canted bowl not withstanding. Pipe making is an art and as such gives licenses to the carver to build into their creation some liberties. That is to say what the carver thinks attractive becomes part of the finished pipe. Sometimes, as in this case, the carver incorporated other styles into the concept. It's not uncommon to find a shape that has the features of several different styles in a single pipe. That's what makes it so interesting.

 

[dmcmtk]

I'd call it a Bullcap. An example from Barling (1962).

 

[davet]

Subjective, it's all subjective :mrgreen:

 

[aquadoc]

Pipemaking must have been a fun craft during the heyday of pipe smoking popularity. I wonder if they had a design team or just left it to the craftsmen imaginations until something stuck.

 

[jensen]

Yes, it is a bullcap.

 

[jpmcwjr]

Different stem and length from a Bullcap, which is a Barling designation. It does not fit nicely into any known shape, though the maker may have called it something.

 

[ssjones]

I'm with dmcmtk, that is a Bullcap. Here's Peterson version of that shape.

 

[papipeguy]

Glad that's settled.

 

[ssjones]

Believe it or not, it's a burden at times to always be right.

 

[aquadoc]

Cool. Thanks everyone. And the slight cant forward is just the artists license, so to speak?

 

[jensen]

Yes, a bullcap with a taper stem - saddle,see the above Barling.
Jacques P. Coles " Briar pipe shapes and styles " is good reading.