Is this a First Generation Kaywoodie?

[PipeIT]

Hi,

I have a Kaywoodie, recently came into possession, I know very little about Kaywoodies.

Pipedia lists the 1st Generation Kaywoodies from 1919-1924, saying they are identified by the Nomenclature “Kaywoodie” in an arch over a cloverleaf outline with the initials KB&B, including the ampersand (&), inside the outline.

Inner tubes are also mentioned, and the clover leaf on the top of the stem.

Kaywoodie - Pipedia

pipedia.org

So this pipe has “Kaywoodie” in an arch over a cloverleaf outline with the initials KB&B, including the ampersand (&), inside the outline.

It also has an inner tube, the stem has the clover leaf, it’s also not wide and straight with a very small lip, and there’s also a picture of of a 1919 lip, which also makes me wonder, since I have this same looking stem/lip if this is actually a 1919 Kaywoodie?

The only other stamp is a D-3 on the shank.

The silver band stamps has a Star, Anchor on it’s side and a K.

Thanks for any help identifying this. ?

Name arched over the clover leaf.



Silver band stamp, Star, Anchor, K, under the clover leaf.




Inner tube and clover leaf on stem top.



Stem shape and small lip (also elongated clover leaf)



Another view of this small lip

 

[Ahi Ka]

I don’t know anything about old KB&Bs, but I would assume that the “k” on the band is less of a date letter and more to do with faux/stylised hallmarks and the kaywoodie name. Please correct me if I’m wrong.

kick arse pipe though bro. I love the hybrid orific button style drilling and shaped bit. Reminds me of two Alden’s I have.

 

[PipeIT]

I just assumed K = Kaywoodie... LOL ?

What’s odd is that there is no 4 digit stamp on the shank, only ‘D-3’... hmm ?

 

[TheIronMonkey]

Because of the cloverleaf logo on the shank and elongated clover on the stem, I would think this is at least pre-1936.

 

[ashdigger]

That pipe dates to roughly 1919.

 

[PipeIT]

Because of the cloverleaf logo on the shank and elongated clover on the stem, I would think this is at least pre-1936.

This Pipedia article says;

“The pre-Kaywoodie KB&B pipes were marked on the shank with a cloverleaf around KB&B. Some early Kaywoodies had this same marking on the shank, but the practice was dropped sometime prior to 1936.”

Kaufmann Bros. & Bondy - Pipedia

pipedia.org

That pipe dates to roughly 1919.

For now I was assuming it was 1919, based off the pic with the small lip? hmm ?

 

[leonardbill1]

Interesting pipe. I have not previously seen one that old with metal. No four number stamp anywhere that starts with 42? It's small stamping.

 

[ashdigger]

Your opening post has all the information. Re-read it. 1919 is the pipe. Kaywoodie wasn’t used before 1919.

 

[PipeIT]

Interesting pipe. I have not previously seen one that old with metal. No four number stamp anywhere that starts with 42? It's small stamping.

No, only D-3 as I posted, and the pic...

Your opening post has all the information. Re-read it. 1919 is the pipe. Kaywoodie wasn’t used before 1919.

Based off the Pipedia info stating 1st Generation from 191-1924, saying they are identified by the Nomenclature “Kaywoodie” in an arch over a cloverleaf outline with the initials KB&B.

I felt 99.9% sure I was within these years.

The pic of this 1919 lip, they only made this small lip on the 1919 pipes?

Thanks

 

[sablebrush52]

Yep, first generation, circa 1919. BTW, the inner tube was called a wintube.

 

[crashthegrey]

Yes, that is an early Kaywoodie from 1919 to 1926, when it was still a line from KB&B, before they really started using Kaywoodie as the brand name. The hallmarks are usually fake symbols, as Kaywoodie and KB&B were not big on silver. May have been a flaw and they felt it needed banding.

 

[crashthegrey]

It is also an absolutely awesome piece to own. Can't leave that out.

 

[PipeIT]

@crashthegrey I see you changed your nick.

I was about to @ you in the post, to get your feedback, thanks for sharing/posting.

I’m blessed to have received this, it really is a piece of pipe history, and I can’t believe how new the condition is.

I’m giving it a nice clean and shine, soon to post it all shiny in WAYS.

 

[sablebrush52]

I just assumed K = Kaywoodie... LOL ?

What’s odd is that there is no 4 digit stamp on the shank, only ‘D-3’... hmm ?

Companies changed their numbering systems from time to time. KB&B used different numbering systems at different times. Sometimes they changed which shape go a particular model number, which can be a little crazy making, unless you have catalogs, price lists, or other company literature at your disposal.

 

[sablebrush52]

No, only D-3 as I posted, and the pic...



Based off the Pipedia info stating 1st Generation from 191-1924, saying they are identified by the Nomenclature “Kaywoodie” in an arch over a cloverleaf outline with the initials KB&B.

I felt 99.9% sure I was within these years.

The pic of this 1919 lip, they only made this small lip on the 1919 pipes?

Thanks

One can't make generalizations like this about much when talking about vintage pipes, or pretty much vintage anything. The samples are merely a few drops from the river.

 

[PipeIT]

So I guess I should say it’s from 1919-1924 as listed on Pipedia?

Thanks everyone!

 

[crashthegrey]

@crashthegrey I see you changed your nick.

I was about to @ you in the post, to get your feedback, thanks for sharing/posting.

I’m blessed to have received this, it really is a piece of pipe history, and I can’t believe how new the condition is.

I’m giving it a nice clean and shine, soon to post it all shiny in WAYS.

It's always been the same name, but tagging me has gotten weird. Not sure what is going on.

 

[mikethompson]

So I guess I should say it’s from 1919-1924 as listed on Pipedia?

Thanks everyone!

You have a very old (and in my opinion) very cool pipe. Nice addition to your collection!

 

[PipeIT]

It's always been the same name, but tagging me has gotten weird. Not sure what is going on.

Hmm I thought it was greywoodie before? ?

 

[jpmcwjr]

If you reply to a post from whomever you want to notify, I believe it will show up in their "threads to read". So, in those cases, no need "@".