Indiscernible Blends…?

[vosBghos]

Was recently seeking out Wessex Burley Slice and while watching a YT review the Reviewer said that it was the same blend as Solani Aged Burly Flake. Digging further I found a “vs” vid where the reviewer revealed they were both produced in Germany by Kolhase&Kopp. Both of these blends seem to be harder to get and are both on the gold standard list for burley.

Wondering are there any similar blends in different families Say a VA or DF flake that if you can’t find one you can just look for it’s barley indiscernible brother?

 

[anotherbob]

I always find that funny because often times there are blends that aren't supposed to be similar and I couldn't tell a difference and then blends that are nearly identical according to reviews that would be easy to spot in a line up (yea I am trying to conjure a crime committed by a random blend of pipe tobacco). The more I read reviews though the more I think it's amazing the things that people notice as well as what they don't notice in their smokes. For me in a way I find tobacco to be really good in general and to have a broad sense of substitution, oh that blend I really like is no more.... Oh well I'll just blindly grab something else.

 

[Peter Turbo]

Wessex Burley Slice is not Solani Aged Burley Flake

Source: I smoke both

Also I find ABF to be a lot stronger than Burley Slices. ABF has laid me down twice at least, slices, not even close. Having said that I still prefer the flavor of ABF over BS and I still prefer LJ Peretti Burley blends over both of those.

 

[vosBghos]

Wessex Burley Slice is not Solani Aged Burley Flake

Source: I smoke both

Also I find ABF to be a lot stronger than Burley Slices. ABF has laid me down twice at least, slices, not even close. Having said that I still prefer the flavor of ABF over BS and I still prefer LJ Peretti Burley blends over both of those.

Good to know , I have heard Cobblestone‘s “ Hiking” compared to a poor man’s ABF , any experience? I have a tin coming might wait to get some Wessex and do a triple comparison. For what it’s worth I have also tried John Cotton’s Double Pressed Burley , strong and slow burning but lacking in any actual big flavor ,came super dry in the tin and not recommended to those who enjoy a bit of tang and zing.

 

[Peter Turbo]

Good to know , I have heard Cobblestone‘s “ Hiking” caompared to a poor man’s ABF , any experience? I have a tin coming might wait to get some Wessex and do a triple comparison.

It's on my list of things to try, unfortunately that's quite a long list. Let me know how you like it.

 

[ThermionicScott]

I'm a little surprised this topic hasn't gotten more bites yet. From what I've gathered, here are a couple of tobacco blends that are suspected of being the same thing in different packaging:

1) Escudo <-> Dunhill/Peterson De Luxe Navy Rolls
2) Sutliff Molto Dolce <-> Sutliff Creme Brulee
3) Peter Stokkebye Luxury Bullseye Flake <-> Davidoff Flake Medallions

Lots of lively discussion about #1, the super-tasters swear that they are different.
It seems to be pretty much settled that #2 are the same thing.
Debate continues on #3.

Since tobacco production has shrunk to a handful of houses, I bet there are a lot more examples out there. Certainly it makes for more similar-tasting blends that can be subbed for each other.

 

[cosmicfolklore]

1) Escudo <-> Dunhill/Peterson De Luxe Navy Rolls
2) Sutliff Molto Dolce <-> Sutliff Creme Brulee
3) Peter Stokkebye Luxury Bullseye Flake <-> Davidoff Flake Medallions

The main differences between all three of these are the casings/toppings.
#2 We can be 100% certain that those two are the exact same, because when Mr. Creasy was the CEO of Sutliff, he was on the radioshow with Brian and said it was the same, except that the Molto Dolce had 3xs as much of the topping added.

Brian gave us the run down on the production of Escudo and DeLuxe... same except maybe variations on the casing. Most probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

 

[Peter Turbo]

I'm a little surprised this topic hasn't gotten more bites yet. From what I've gathered, here are a couple of tobacco blends that are suspected of being the same thing in different packaging:

1) Escudo <-> Dunhill/Peterson De Luxe Navy Rolls
2) Sutliff Molto Dolce <-> Sutliff Creme Brulee
3) Peter Stokkebye Luxury Bullseye Flake <-> Davidoff Flake Medallions

Lots of lively discussion about #1, the super-tasters swear that they are different.
It seems to be pretty much settled that #2 are the same thing.
Debate continues on #3.

Since tobacco production has shrunk to a handful of houses, I bet there are a lot more examples out there. Certainly it makes for more similar-tasting blends that can be subbed for each other.

There's no way Escudo is the same as De Luxe Navy Rolls they taste very different from one another. I get a more mild smoke from Escudo which is on the bready side with some light pepper and dark fruit notes that pop in and out. DNR is more dark fruit, tartness/sweet and bread to me and fuller (more full?) smoke to me, which I prefer and buy tins of it whenever I can afford to. Escudo, not so much.

 

[sablebrush52]

There are a lot of blends that are released under different labels but are otherwise identical. What makes them different is suggestion, people convincing themselves of differences that don't exist, which is why this works so well.

 

[CoffeeAndBourbon]

Ahh the classic mental fornication.

 

[cosmicfolklore]

There's no way Escudo is the same as De Luxe Navy Rolls they taste very different from one another

The radioshow where Brian talks about that was almost 10 years ago. Since then STG has totally fucked up Escudo. So, I would have to agree with you. But, at the time, the biggest differences were the casings. A casing can completely alter how the tobacco tastes. Just a hint of a malic acid can shove a grassy Virginia over into fruity land.

 

[PaulTheScandinavian]

whereas I do prefer The Hu tobacco Dockworkers flake over the two abovementioned Burley flakes

 

[TheIronMonkey]

I'm a little surprised this topic hasn't gotten more bites yet. From what I've gathered, here are a couple of tobacco blends that are suspected of being the same thing in different packaging:

1) Escudo <-> Dunhill/Peterson De Luxe Navy Rolls
2) Sutliff Molto Dolce <-> Sutliff Creme Brulee
3) Peter Stokkebye Luxury Bullseye Flake <-> Davidoff Flake Medallions

Lots of lively discussion about #1, the super-tasters swear that they are different.
It seems to be pretty much settled that #2 are the same thing.
Debate continues on #3.

Since tobacco production has shrunk to a handful of houses, I bet there are a lot more examples out there. Certainly it makes for more similar-tasting blends that can be subbed for each other.

I will have to check, but, there may be a size difference between Luxury Bullseye Flake and Flake Medallions; my LBF may just be more broken up.

 

[ThermionicScott]

There's no way Escudo is the same as De Luxe Navy Rolls they taste very different from one another. I get a more mild smoke from Escudo which is on the bready side with some light pepper and dark fruit notes that pop in and out. DNR is more dark fruit, tartness/sweet and bread to me and fuller (more full?) smoke to me, which I prefer and buy tins of it whenever I can afford to. Escudo, not so much.

Yeah, I don't have a horse in any of those races, just wanted to throw them out for discussion.

 

[beef]

I'm a little surprised this topic hasn't gotten more bites yet. From what I've gathered, here are a couple of tobacco blends that are suspected of being the same thing in different packaging:

1) Escudo <-> Dunhill/Peterson De Luxe Navy Rolls
2) Sutliff Molto Dolce <-> Sutliff Creme Brulee
3) Peter Stokkebye Luxury Bullseye Flake <-> Davidoff Flake Medallions

Lots of lively discussion about #1, the super-tasters swear that they are different.
It seems to be pretty much settled that #2 are the same thing.
Debate continues on #3.

Since tobacco production has shrunk to a handful of houses, I bet there are a lot more examples out there. Certainly it makes for more similar-tasting blends that can be subbed for each other.

I think the peterson has far more fruity flavours than the escudo, which I think is more spicy.

 

[anotherbob]

Ahh the classic mental fornication.

I don't know seems like you're giving it more credit then it deserves. I'll put it this way, it's more of a onesome situation.

 

[bullet08]

I'm a little surprised this topic hasn't gotten more bites yet. From what I've gathered, here are a couple of tobacco blends that are suspected of being the same thing in different packaging:

1) Escudo <-> Dunhill/Peterson De Luxe Navy Rolls
2) Sutliff Molto Dolce <-> Sutliff Creme Brulee
3) Peter Stokkebye Luxury Bullseye Flake <-> Davidoff Flake Medallions

Lots of lively discussion about #1, the super-tasters swear that they are different.
It seems to be pretty much settled that #2 are the same thing.
Debate continues on #3.

Since tobacco production has shrunk to a handful of houses, I bet there are a lot more examples out there. Certainly it makes for more similar-tasting blends that can be subbed for each other.

1 and 3, I can tell the difference. But a lot of people swear up and down they are the same. 2, not really into aromatic.

 

[cosmicfolklore]

1 and 3, I can tell the difference. But a lot of people swear up and down they are the same. 2, not really into aromatic.

I mean, I can tell a difference also. But, It's not like pickles verses ice cream type of difference, more like vanilla verses French vanilla.

 

[cigrmaster]

When I compared Escudo to Dunhill Deluxe Navy Rolls the difference was small but definitely notable. The Escudo had a pepper flavoring where as the Dunhill was sweeter.
Ten years later the Escudo has lost some pepper and not is creamier with more fig and raisin flavors.

The Dunhill is definitely sweeter and more stewed fruit flavors. Both are tasty to my tastes.

 

[bullet08]

I mean, I can tell a difference also. But, It's not like pickles verses ice cream type of difference, more like vanilla verses French vanilla.

Little more than that for me. After leaving those in jars for awhile, they age different. DNR has more pronounced dark fruit. Davidoff mellows faster and bit more smooth mouth feel, perique is more intense.