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hauntedmyst

Lifer
Feb 1, 2010
4,015
20,691
Chicago
With drugs at one of our manufacturers! I opened my email and saw an announcement: Erik Stokkebye 4th Generation: Small Batch Peaty Kentucky 1.75oz! A Peaty Kentucky? Sounds awesome right? Then I saw the price of $28.95. For 1.75oz. No, that isn't a typo. I came to the only logical conclusion, either someone at SP or Stokkebye has a drug problem and we as a community have to help!

 

anotherbob

Lifer
Mar 30, 2019
18,503
33,661
47
Central PA a.k.a. State College
I think this is a reflection of what's happening in the hobby. I have been waiting for the first few high end blends to start coming out. And the thing is you have to admit it's weird that there isn't more variation in the prices of different blends, you know like with cigars for example. I don't think the base price is going up much but I do think they are going to be more and more high end and limited edition blends that cost significantly more then average. Could be totally wrong. But like I said after hearing about how much more pipe tobacco is being sold in more markets, I thought soon we'll be seeing some blends like this.
 

anotherbob

Lifer
Mar 30, 2019
18,503
33,661
47
Central PA a.k.a. State College
With drugs at one of our manufacturers! I opened my email and saw an announcement: Erik Stokkebye 4th Generation: Small Batch Peaty Kentucky 1.75oz! A Peaty Kentucky? Sounds awesome right? Then I saw the price of $28.95. For 1.75oz. No, that isn't a typo. I came to the only logical conclusion, either someone at SP or Stokkebye has a drug problem and we as a community have to help!

wait are you trying to get us to send them drugs?
 

anotherbob

Lifer
Mar 30, 2019
18,503
33,661
47
Central PA a.k.a. State College
I think this is a reflection of what's happening in the hobby. I have been waiting for the first few high end blends to start coming out. And the thing is you have to admit it's weird that there isn't more variation in the prices of different blends, you know like with cigars for example. I don't think the base price is going up much but I do think they are going to be more and more high end and limited edition blends that cost significantly more then average. Could be totally wrong. But like I said after hearing about how much more pipe tobacco is being sold in more markets, I thought soon we'll be seeing some blends like this.
you know like with bourbon. The regular old standbys cost the same as always (roughly) but there are so many more bottles that cost around the 100 dollar mark on the same shelf as the Jack Daniels.
 

Grangerous

Lifer
Dec 8, 2020
3,613
14,818
East Coast USA
you know like with bourbon. The regular old standbys cost the same as always (roughly) but there are so many more bottles that cost around the 100 dollar mark on the same shelf as the Jack Daniels.
Exactly. All the boutique small batch bourbons are nice, but give me a delicious (under appreciated and far superior to it price point) old standby like Wild Turkey 101. Granger? Same applies. Outstanding!
 

sablebrush52

The Bard Of Barlings
Jun 15, 2013
23,068
58,991
Southern Oregon
jrs457.wixsite.com
I think this is a reflection of what's happening in the hobby. I have been waiting for the first few high end blends to start coming out. And the thing is you have to admit it's weird that there isn't more variation in the prices of different blends, you know like with cigars for example. I don't think the base price is going up much but I do think they are going to be more and more high end and limited edition blends that cost significantly more then average. Could be totally wrong. But like I said after hearing about how much more pipe tobacco is being sold in more markets, I thought soon we'll be seeing some blends like this.
After 8/8/21 a lot of blends will be gone and any new blends will be required to go through an expensive Deeming process. Unless a company is willing to either risk high penalties for flouting the law, or pay high fees to go the legal route, there won't be new blends, and what new blends come onto the market will be priced to recoup the extra costs.

Even before we became aware of the FDA Deeming rules in early 2016, people were advising pipe smokers to buy and cellar since prices were going to go up. Add to that clear evidence that quality is now taking a hit internationally and you have a perfect storm.

To anyone interested in enjoying pipe tobaccos over the long run, and has budgetary limitations, my suggestion is to forget about adding pipes to your collection for the next couple of years and focus on cellaring.
 

mso489

Lifer
Feb 21, 2013
41,211
59,147
To temper the conversation, someone is always testing the upper end of pricing, so this could be mostly that. When the deeming regs hit, that's another matter. First blends will disappear enmasse, and then the pricing will fluctuate, probably way up for starters. Some will just quit pipe smoking, and others will go to two bowls a week. Most will hang on to their habits as along as they can and their budgets permit.
 

anotherbob

Lifer
Mar 30, 2019
18,503
33,661
47
Central PA a.k.a. State College
After 8/8/21 a lot of blends will be gone and any new blends will be required to go through an expensive Deeming process. Unless a company is willing to either risk high penalties for flouting the law, or pay high fees to go the legal route, there won't be new blends, and what new blends come onto the market will be priced to recoup the extra costs.

Even before we became aware of the FDA Deeming rules in early 2016, people were advising pipe smokers to buy and cellar since prices were going to go up. Add to that clear evidence that quality is now taking a hit internationally and you have a perfect storm.

To anyone interested in enjoying pipe tobaccos over the long run, and has budgetary limitations, my suggestion is to forget about adding pipes to your collection for the next couple of years and focus on cellaring.
I don't buy it though. I don't buy that the deeming rules are the problem their stated as. Snuff got hit with pretty much the same rules oh wait all tobacco that's sold in certain countries already got hit with the same kind of rules and additional costs. It wasn't the seismic event people where afraid it would be and that's a market where new costs are way more prohibitive because if you think pipe tobacco is a small market look at nasal snuff. The only real change that happened was some snuffs that where bearly holding on already got cut. And guess what the way that pipe smoking is mushrooming is going to more then take care of a new cost of business. I could be wrong but every single time a new rule comes down the pipe line it's labeled the new apocalypse and it almost never pans out. If there is money to be made, it will be made. God you should have heard the nightmares everyone was expecting with icd 10 instead of 9. People were going to die doctors were going to homeless. And turns out even though it's more complicated and increased some budget concerns on the front end it's actually easier to deal with because it's actually way better explained and way more explicit. And it also actually got some doctors to get off their asses and write functional reports instead of the clap trap half assed ones they made for years.
 

anotherbob

Lifer
Mar 30, 2019
18,503
33,661
47
Central PA a.k.a. State College
Exactly. All the boutique small batch bourbons are nice, but give me a delicious (under appreciated and far superior to it price point) old standby like Wild Turkey 101. Granger? Same applies. Outstanding!
one isn't ruining the other. There is room for both of them in the market and in my cabinet. And if anything both are going to probably be encouraged by the deeming regs. Old market tested standbys and special high end editions that can give a nice cash injection when needed.
 

anotherbob

Lifer
Mar 30, 2019
18,503
33,661
47
Central PA a.k.a. State College
I've been doing just that.
cellaring is always a good idea. Things disappear from the market. Tobacco is a plant and isn't the same from year to year. And there is always the idea of it's better to have something you didn't need to hold onto that you paid less for then to assume it will always be safe.
 

sablebrush52

The Bard Of Barlings
Jun 15, 2013
23,068
58,991
Southern Oregon
jrs457.wixsite.com
I don't buy it though. I don't buy that the deeming rules are the problem their stated as. Snuff got hit with pretty much the same rules oh wait all tobacco that's sold in certain countries already got hit with the same kind of rules and additional costs. It wasn't the seismic event people where afraid it would be and that's a market where new costs are way more prohibitive because if you think pipe tobacco is a small market look at nasal snuff. The only real change that happened was some snuffs that where bearly holding on already got cut. And guess what the way that pipe smoking is mushrooming is going to more then take care of a new cost of business. I could be wrong but every single time a new rule comes down the pipe line it's labeled the new apocalypse and it almost never pans out. If there is money to be made, it will be made. God you should have heard the nightmares everyone was expecting with icd 10 instead of 9. People were going to die doctors were going to homeless. And turns out even though it's more complicated and increased some budget concerns on the front end it's actually easier to deal with because it's actually way better explained and way more explicit. And it also actually got some doctors to get off their asses and write functional reports instead of the clap trap half assed ones they made for years.
I hope that you're right. But I'm seeing changes in blends from some very highly respected blending houses, that indicate drops in quality, and the FDA deadline is the FDA deadline. Some blends will slip to 8/8/22 because their makers have fulfilled some requirements toward going through the deeming process. But as the law currently stands, all blends that entered the US market after February 15th 2007 will be off the market on 8/8/21 unless they have been approved by the FDA. It will take an act of Congress to change that.
 

anotherbob

Lifer
Mar 30, 2019
18,503
33,661
47
Central PA a.k.a. State College
I hope that you're right. But I'm seeing changes in blends from some very highly respected blending houses, that indicate drops in quality, and the FDA deadline is the FDA deadline. Some blends will slip to 8/8/22 because their makers have fulfilled some requirements toward going through the deeming process. But as the law currently stands, all blends that entered the US market after February 15th 2007 will be off the market on 8/8/21 unless they have been approved by the FDA. It will take an act of Congress to change that.
sometimes the expectation of ruin can have a bad effect. And there is something about focus that makes people go a little crazy (you know you're an artist).
 

Merton

Lifer
Jul 8, 2020
1,118
3,076
Boston, Massachusetts
If folks are willing to pay the price that Stokkebye is looking for, then that is fine. If not, it won't sell and the free market will have spoken. I remember when Larsen came out with that "gale" reserve blend at a stupefying price. Apparently that did not work, at least completely, as I have seen the offering for less than half the original vig. For me, the interesting thing about cellaring is knowing which blends one really likes enough to comfortable knowing that one will most likely always enjoy it.
 
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