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MonarchistPiper

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I bought Ball jars from an off brand, and if I tighten the top of the jar too much it just reaches a limit when it loosens and I need to screw it on again. Meaning when Im screwing the top on it just reaches a point when it gets loose again and spins around one more time. (sorry for the bad english)
 

BigR

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I would purchase Ball Brand jar lids and bands. They will probably work better. If those Ball brand rings don't work, I'd say they are bad jars.
 

wyfbane

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The seal is in the rubber lid. My wife cans and puts the screw on part of the lid days later. If you warm your jars before packing, they should seal up tight without the screw on part. That way, your loose lidswill work.

That said, I would definitely not buy those again.
 

andrew

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I bought Ball jars from an off brand, and if I tighten the top of the jar too much it just reaches a limit when it loosens and I need to screw it on again. Meaning when Im screwing the top on it just reaches a point when it gets loose again and spins around one more time. (sorry for the bad english)
You mean mason jars. Ball and kilner are brands. Sounds like they're defective I'd take them back. Kilner isn't an off brand. I've never bought ball brand jars. I just look for mason. As long as it says mason it's good. They're ball brand mason jars
 
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VDL_Piper

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Kilner jars have been around since the late 1700’s, much longer than ball jars that’s for sure. I buy them exclusively and I’d say you have a bad lid or you have overtightened the ring (which is incredible if you have done that). You can get replacement lids and rings or if it’s brand new return to place of purchase as Kilner stands behind their product.
 

MonarchistPiper

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Kilner jars have been around since the late 1700’s, much longer than ball jars that’s for sure. I buy them exclusively and I’d say you have a bad lid or you have overtightened the ring (which is incredible if you have done that). You can get replacement lids and rings or if it’s brand new return to place of purchase as Kilner stands behind their product.
Thats reassuring tbh, they are not brand new but I will either get new ones or ask if they can sell me replacement lids and rings. This happened to me with 4 kilner jars out of idk maybe 10 or 12 I bought. Do you think I could be overtightening the ring? I do tend to screw it on tight, and its strange that it happened to so many of them...
 
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Sigmund

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It just sounds like the lids are bad. Grab some new ones. It sounds like they are made of some kinda crappy material that bends and loses shape too easily. I remember growing up with ball on the farm and you could use their rings for close to forever.
 
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huntertrw

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I have a Kilner jar (with Kilner lid) that was full of old Gold Block Cut Plug tobacco generously sent to me years ago by Forums member Klause (who, sadly, has fallen off of the radar), and it seals perfectly. My guess is that you simply have a bad jar, lid, or both.
 
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andrew

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Thats reassuring tbh, they are not brand new but I will either get new ones or ask if they can sell me replacement lids and rings. This happened to me with 4 kilner jars out of idk maybe 10 or 12 I bought. Do you think I could be overtightening the ring? I do tend to screw it on tight, and its strange that it happened to so many of them...
I think overtightening the ring would require a monkey wrench and you would have to do it on purpose. Something us defective,
 
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Sigmund

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Once your get it straight dont tighten like crazy. Just tighten firmly and let the silicone seal do its work. Especially if you are dipping into these as your daily supply.
 
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jaingorenard

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I also use Kilner mason jars and they are totally fine. I also have a load of cheap knock-off ones from Amazon, and they work fine too.

Despite not being quite as good as mason jars, I find the clip top Kilner jars are okay for relatively short term storage. I found some that I had from a decade ago (2015) and the tobacco was just as good as the stuff I have stored in mason jars (unopened since then, importantly). I have no doubt the clip top ones are not as good, but my experience is that they are good enough if that's what you have.
 

sardonicus87

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What's happening when you over-tighten is that the threads are "jumping", that's why it goes loose. Essentially the ring is stretching outward and the thread on the lid "jumps" the thread on the jar.

You mostly see thread jumping (generally speaking with anything, not specific to jars) with soft materials like plastics, or in cases where you're using mixed brands where the threads might not have exactly the same pitch or may not have exactly the same diameter, or where even though the thread pitch/TPI is the same, the threaded length is different for each.

In other cases with harder materials (metal into metal, like a metal screw into a piece of metal, or metal and plastic), you tend to instead strip the threads rather than jump them.

If the lid rings are old, they may be more malleable, or the threads could be worn down, or the lids could be misshapen (out-of-round).

It's never a good idea to over-tighten anything, especially when there's gaskets involved. May seem counter-intuitive, because "tighter means tighter", but over-crushing a gasket can deform it and cause an open area that will leak if you exceed the gasket's squish tolerance.