How a Newbie Conquered Tongue Bite

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Jan 29, 2025
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I've finally done it.

Here is the short version of the practices that helped me. A more detailed description is below that.
1. Read this forum.
2. Dry your tobacco.
3. Angle your pipe away from your tongue.
4. Smoke slowly, especially on the draw.
5. Use biotene and ice water when needed.
6. Don't smoke all the way to the bottom.
7. Light indirectly.

Details (long):
I smoked a pipe briefly in college and gave it up, enjoying other forms of tobacco for the next 3 decades. I came back to pipes when cigars became too expensive and fell completely in love. Sadly, however, as many folks do, I got vicious tongue bite no matter what I did. I'm deeply concerned about tongue bite because it's an injury, and repeated injury is a primary cause of cancer, which runs on one side of my family. Finally, after a couple of months of trial and error, I think I've turned the corner. Many of the above had synergistic effects with one another, and it wasn't until I worked them all in together that I noticed a significant improvement in the just past few days.

1. Read this forum. There is an amazing amount of knowledge and tutelage available on this site, served up with a healthy dose of wit and patience. (The density of smartasses on this forum is one of its best qualities.) All the answers to my problem were found in here in some form or fashion. But like many things, it takes time to dig through and find the information that applies to you, and then to try it out and confirm it. This and the items below are what worked for me, all in one handy place for the next guy.

2. Dry your tobacco. This is one of the most common pieces of advice on this forum, and with good reason. Part of my problem was that I was relighting 10-15 times a bowl. In combination with other mistakes I was making, it wound up driving a lot of heat to my tongue, especially near the end of a bowl. I was able to directly correlate severity of tongue bite to frequency of relights. This was because my tobacco was simply too wet. Air drying it removed that moisture, which also reduced the steam produced, which holds a ton of heat--more even than hot air. There are also side benefits of reducing gurgle and improving flavor, which for me the heat and steam were masking quite a bit.

3. Angle. I placed the button of my pipes (a straight MM CG and a bent Nording) inside my lips and drew that way. This practice slowed the smoke down but didn't absorb much heat when I made a mistake and drew too hot. It just directed the hot smoke straight to my tongue. I have since begun hooking the button under my upper row of teeth and angling the pipe to direct the smoke to the roof of my mouth. A couple of times even that got scorched too until I figured the rest of this out, but it was much less frequent and healed much more quickly. This is especially important when relighting or nearing the bottom of the bowl.

4. Smoke slowly and DRAW slowly. This is another very common piece of advice on the forum. Smoking more slowly keeps the tobacco cooler and thus less heat is in the draw. But for me, the key piece was DRAWING slowly too. This also keeps the tobacco cooler and the speed of the air through the tobacco doesn't put it out, which can cause more relights. I went from taking a puff in less than a second to taking several to pull the smoke into my mouth. I haven't timed it because I'm not THAT crazy (yet), but I'm only relighting 2-3 times a bowl now.

5. Use Biotene and ice water. My tongue bite got pretty severe and painful. Biotene functions like astringent for the mouth and then helps you produce more saliva, soothing the burn. But like any burn, ice water AFTER the smoke (not during) really helped too. After a smoke, I kept some handy and filled my mouth with it until it warmed, and then swallowed. Repeatedly doing this helped cool the burned tissue and rehydrate it. A single 12-ounce glass of ice water produced noticeable improvement.

6. Don't smoke all the way to the bottom. The tobacco at the bottom of the bowl contains a lot of the moisture and tar liberated by the combustion of the tobacco above it. This is why it sometimes crackles as it ignites. That moisture turns into steam, which as mentioned above is an issue. Further, there is less tobacco in the way of the flame, so there is less resistance to the hot smoke and air from a relight entering your mouth. It's better to let a few cents' worth of tobacco go than nurse a burned tongue and/or (god forbid) take a break from smoking.

7. Light indirectly. I was so used to having the flame actually touch my tobacco, which is basically necessary when smoking cigars, that it never occurred to me to do something different until I read it here (like a hundred times). Keeping the actual flame away from the tobacco and just doing quick passes a few millimeters away is enough to get going and stay there. Plus, the tobacco itself isn't flash burned, releasing all the flavors at once, and stays cooler, reducing the heat that eventually makes it to the mouth.

So that's it. Once all the above pieces fell into place, my tongue is almost completely healed and my smoking pleasure has increased dramatically. There is more to do refining the above and being consistent but for the first time since restarting, I feel like I'm going to get there.

I hope some of the above helps someone else.
 
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dd57chevy

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I would agree with your post but I would say point #4 is the most important . Don't smoke too fast !

A long time ago , as a beginner , would blow smoke like the Wabash Cannonball . Ended up with a burn on the roof of my mouth . My dentist insisted I get a biopsy (which wasn't pleasant).

It was just a burn , but i learned to pace myself...........
 

renfield

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OP has it. Those techniques go a long way to avoid roasting your palate.

It still takes “practice” but the learning phase can be a lot less unpleasant.

I would add to avoid “goopy” aromatics early on. It goes counter to what many do but those blends tend to get bitey more easily than straight tobacco blends.
 

firemanjim

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For years, on and off, I struggled with Tongue bite and "sloppy" smokes. Then I read the advice above and started drying my tobacco. Started with the wettest one. Dried it in the open for about a week. Problem solved. Thanks to ill of you for great advice.
 
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7. Light indirectly. I was so used to having the flame actually touch my tobacco, which is basically necessary when smoking cigars, that it never occurred to me to do something different until I read it here (like a hundred times). Keeping the actual flame away from the tobacco and just doing quick passes a few millimeters away is enough to get going and stay there. Plus, the tobacco itself isn't flash burned, releasing all the flavors at once, and stays cooler, reducing the heat that eventually makes it to the mouth.

Actually, the same is true for cigars. Ideally, you don’t want the flame touching your cigar directly—you don’t want to carbonize your tobacco and ruin the flavour by drawing burnt tobacco into the cigar on your initial lighting. Torch lighters are convenient, especially when you’re outside. But, if you haven’t tried a soft flame (match, cedar spill, soft flame lighter) where you make sure the flame doesn’t make direct contact with your cigar, you could be in for a treat if you’ve only been using a torch lighter.
 

rakovsky

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7. Light indirectly. I was so used to having the flame actually touch my tobacco, which is basically necessary when smoking cigars, that it never occurred to me to do something different until I read it here (like a hundred times). Keeping the actual flame away from the tobacco and just doing quick passes a few millimeters away is enough to get going and stay there. Plus, the tobacco itself isn't flash burned, releasing all the flavors at once, and stays cooler, reducing the heat that eventually makes it to the mouth.
In #7, it sounds like you might be using a torch lighter.
I found soft lighters worked best.
My tips:
Use briar pipes instead of ebony, pear, unknown wood pipes.
Avoid aromatics if your tongue bite is bad. Oriental leaf is mellow.
Use a filter, like wax paper or Charcoal.
Consider a Peterson system pipe or Falcon pipe or pipe with a stinger.
Move the mouthpiece end periodically to differentt spots in your mouth as you smoke so it doesn't always focus only on one spot.
Avoid torch lights because they are so strong. They are like jet engines. 🚀
 
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In #7, it sounds like you might be using a torch lighter.
I found soft lighters worked best.
(snip)

Avoid torch lights because they are so strong. They are like jet engines. 🚀
Excellent advice.

I had read much of that here on the forum; I had been using Bics to light my cigars, and just used them to light my pipes too. I read elsewhere on here that Zippos with pipe inserts produced a good, soft flame, so I ordered a very pretty one with iridescent paint from SP. Is it green? Purple? Depends on the ambient light...

Anyway, it works awesome, and the flame is somewhat cooler. However, if it's only a few millimeters above the bowl, I've found that I can't get the tobacco lit well. My solution was to fill the bowl less so I could lay the bottom of the chimney against the top of the bowl and get a better light on the tobacco.

I'm still getting used to it, so much so that I got bit again; but I think I've got the hang of it now. And the smell of fuel is nothing; I think that's a bit overstated on these fora.
 
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rakovsky

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Excellent advice.

I had read much of that here on the forum; I had been using Bics to light my cigars, and just used them to light my pipes too. I read elsewhere on here that Zippos with pipe inserts produced a good, soft flame, so I ordered a very pretty one with iridescent paint from SP. Is it green? Purple? Depends on the ambient light...

Anyway, it works awesome, and the flame is somewhat cooler. However, if it's only a few millimeters above the bowl, I've found that I can't get the tobacco lit well. My solution was to fill the bowl less so I could lay the bottom of the chimney against the top of the bowl and get a better light on the tobacco.

I'm still getting used to it, so much so that I got bit again; but I think I've got the hang of it now. And the smell of fuel is nothing; I think that's a bit overstated on these fora.
Chubby,
I agree with your first point about the value of online info.
I especially needed online info to find out which pipes and blends were decent. Ironically though one of my worst mistakes was buying a ~$8 nonbriar Chang Feng pipe, and I got it online.

Since then I've surprisingly gotten important info about cigars too. What I learned about torch lighters makes me want to avoid using them on cigars too. I learned that smoking a cigar and putting it down for a few days fouls up the cigar, so since my body doesn't handle normal sized cigars well, I plan to cut them in half in the future and smoke the half with a broken end in my Medico brand cigar holder.

My favorite lighters so far are soft flame clippers that turn on with a button so that I don't scrape my thumb like I do on Zippos. And clippers are refillable, unlike BICs. Clippers have circular bottoms, so they can double as tampers.

If I have a real dry blend or it doesn't have much volume left in the bowl - i.e. the bowl is mostly smoked out, then strongly putting the flame directly into the bowl while puffing on it does send very hot air into my mouth. But normally otherwise I don't have that problem- sometimes I have a full bowl of a blend that is really hard to light. Goopier blends and plugs can be like that even when I dive the plug.
 
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abecox

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I think one of the biggest a-ha moments I had with this hobby/habit is that even if you think you're smoking slow you could probably smoke slower. The bonus besides the blend tasting better and deeper is that you get to smoke it for longer as well! I've nearly doubled the time it takes to smoke through certain pipes, though I'm sure some of that is packing too.
 
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.My favorite lighters so far are soft flame clippers that turn on with a button so that I don't scrape my thumb like I do on Zippos. And clippers are refillable, unlike BICs. Clippers have circular bottoms, so they can double as tampers.
Good tip. Not sure I’ve seen Clippers around but I’ll keep my eyes open.

I don’t have the thumb problem with my Zippo so far. And another plus, yesterday we had 60 mph wind gusts and my Zippo could still light my pipe! As a dedicated outdoor smoker this may trump anything else lol!
 
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rakovsky

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Good tip. Not sure I’ve seen Clippers around but I’ll keep my eyes open.

I don’t have the thumb problem with my Zippo so far. And another plus, yesterday we had 60 mph wind gusts and my Zippo could still light my pipe! As a dedicated outdoor smoker this may trump anything else lol!
I have three Clippers, and one was given me by a smoker who has smoked for years longer than I have, and the other two were given to me by another pipe smoker so perhaps Clippers might just be the thing that you would have to go out of your way to get, like by online orders or by going to Specialty stores.

The four advantages of Clippers are that they use a soft Flame, they are refillable, they are easy on the thumb if they have a button switch lighter, and they have a circular bottom that doubles as a tamper.

When I was a teenager, no one in my family used refillable lighters, and I went to a discount store and bought a Zippo lighter. Over and over I tried to light it by running its rough wheel with my thumb. The wheel is grated with tiny bumps, as I recall. So the end result was that I didn't light it, I just got a lot of Sparks and a skinned thumb. Later on I realized that I needed to fill it with lighter fluid. Even accounting for my stupidity with the Zippo though, my skin is a little sensitive, to the point that I would rather have a lighter that is easy on the thumb.