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LeafErikson

Lifer
Dec 7, 2021
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Greetings. I have been smoking a pipe for about a year and a half after switching from smoking cigarettes on and off for years. I started with a MM cob and have since accumulated a few other cob and briar pipes but MM cobs are still generally what I reach for when I smoke. I usually smoke 3-4 bowls a day and have found the most success with cobs. I smoke a few basket briars with their brands being a no name, Stanwell, and a Morgan Bones pipe. I have been wiping out my briars after I smoke them nor do I smoke them as often as my cobs. None of them have a thick cake by any stretch, although they have at least some layer of carbon. I find that more frequently than not when I smoke any of my briars (other than my Morgan Bones pipe) I get a gurgle mid-smoke that requires a pipe cleaner to be passed for me to continue. This is something I have almost never had to do with my cobs. I wouldn’t describe myself as a freight train puffer or one who only exhales wisps of smoke but somewhere in between. Would a thick carbon cake on my briars help me with the gurgle or is this just something that some briar pipes do? Maybe it could be because the cheaper pipes I have aren’t drilled super accurately? I do find it interesting that it almost never happens to me when I smoke my Morgan Bones pipe. I generally smoke burley blends but sometimes enjoy a Virginia/vaper and think I have a good idea of what optimal tobacco moisture content looks like. As a long time lurker and first time poster, I extend my sincerest thank you to all of the active members on this forum! You indirectly answered many of my questions early on in my pipe smoking journey when I had nobody in the flesh to turn to for answers. I figured I should return the favor for someone else out there seeking answers like I was and still am. Happy smokes!
 
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Breathe through the nose, don't compress the the lips onto the stem, always leave a gap, on the inhale close the back of the throat gently but firmly, on the exhale open the throat and expel the smoke.
Not had a gurgle in 10 years. I always smoke briars.
 
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LeafErikson

Lifer
Dec 7, 2021
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I'm gonna say plus 1 on the tobacco possibly being a little on the wet side. Is it also particularly cold out where you are? Here during winter in Canada I find the dottle at the bottom to become much wetter during the colder months.
Yeah I may have been a bit hyperbolic in describing the frequency with which it happens but it’s noticeably more often than with my cobs. It has been super wet and cold here in Oregon which could be another recent cause!
 
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anotherbob

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either the tobacco is too tight or too wet. Or you might also have some crap pipes. Probably the first. Also helps in my opinion to not puff but to sip the pipe. It might seem like that shouldn't make a huge difference but it really does. Cobs are a lot more absorbent then briar which is one of the great things about them. They also have a more open draw if they're m.m. cobs which will help prevent gurgle (that is why I don't like m.m. I prefer a slightly more restricted draw). That should help but at the end of the day there is no reason you can't just smoke cobs many people do just that. I personally prefer briar but I don't think cobs are genuinely inferior pipes. The thing is if you're enjoying it you're doing it right.
 

LeafErikson

Lifer
Dec 7, 2021
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either the tobacco is too tight or too wet. Or you might also have some crap pipes. Probably the first. Also helps in my opinion to not puff but to sip the pipe. It might seem like that shouldn't make a huge difference but it really does. Cobs are a lot more absorbent then briar which is one of the great things about them. They also have a more open draw if they're m.m. cobs which will help prevent gurgle (that is why I don't like m.m. I prefer a slightly more restricted draw). That should help but at the end of the day there is no reason you can't just smoke cobs many people do just that. I personally prefer briar but I don't think cobs are genuinely inferior pipes. The thing is if you're enjoying it you're doing it right.
Appreciate the reply brother. Yeah I think it could be just crap basket pipes because it doesn’t seem to be happening with my Bones pipe which is a briar. I do seem to have a strong preference for cobs. Haven’t tried meerschaum yet but sounds like something I would enjoy. I forgot to mention I also have a small Ropp pipe I have that doesn’t gurgle either. Maybe that basket Stanwell and the no name basket are just duds.
 
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anotherbob

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Appreciate the reply brother. Yeah I think it could be just crap basket pipes because it doesn’t seem to be happening with my Bones pipe which is a briar. I do seem to have a strong preference for cobs. Haven’t tried meerschaum yet but sounds like something I would enjoy. I forgot to mention I also have a small Ropp pipe I have that doesn’t gurgle either. Maybe that basket Stanwell and the no name basket are just duds.
basket pipes are a crap shot. I've gotten some really great smokers from baskets. But I've seen some that are unsmokable. If your other pipes are working it might be the basket pipes
 

LeafErikson

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Dec 7, 2021
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basket pipes are a crap shot. I've gotten some really great smokers from baskets. But I've seen some that are unsmokable. If your other pipes are working it might be the basket pipes
Yeah I think I’ll shell out a bit more and get a mid-grade ropp pipe. The etudiant that I have from them is a pretty cool little pipe. That should alleviate some of my basket pipe woes maybe.
 
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sasquatch

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Cobs are super forgiving, and very absorbent. Moisture is a product of combustion, and smoking a briar pipe is a balance between having it hot enough to boil off some of the moisture, but not so hot (eg burning so fast) that the moisture is building up faster than the pipe can compensate. Filtered pipes like Savinellis and Brighams are more like cobs in their ability to absorb excess moisture. So, as others have stated, slow down, dry the tobacco more, seek for less smoke, don't try to "win", just smoke leisurely. And, frankly, some pipes are better than others, there's briars around here that I can't get to smoke without a gurgle because of the physics involved in how they are built, they are prone to condensation.
 
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Briar Lee

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I think gurgling is caused by untrained technique.

Years ago I used to get my tongue bit, my pipes would gurgle, and get soggy.

Today I can smoke any pipe with any blend, and I’m so accustomed to pipe smoking I’ll never hear a gurgle, never feel any tongue bite, my pipes are packed just right, and at the end I’ll shake the last bit into an ash tray.

Some others have offered wonderful tips and advice on how to avoid gurgling.

I say keep trying, smoke slow, and a tamper is your friend.

If your pipe is hot to hold, you’re smoking too fast.
 
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dctune

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This may or may not be relevant to your particular situation, but I recall a Muttnchop vid (I think it was him) where he explains that he’s just a “wet smoker.” Said he always produces quite a bit of saliva when he smokes. That can obviously influence moisture traveling the stem. I’m not usually a clencher, but I do get a little slobbery when I do clench, and will sometime hear a gurgle in my briars. Even in my nice ones. But like you, never in my cob.
 

LeafErikson

Lifer
Dec 7, 2021
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Oregon
I think gurgling is caused by untrained technique.

Years ago I used to get my tongue bit, my pipes would gurgle, and get soggy.

Today I can smoke any pipe with any blend, and I’m so accustomed to pipe smoking I’ll never hear a gurgle, never feel any tongue bite, my pipes are packed just right, and at the end I’ll shake the last bit into an ash tray.

Some others have offered wonderful tips and advice on how to avoid gurgling.

I say keep trying, smoke slow, and a tamper is your friend.

If your pipe is hot to hold, you’re smoking too fast.
I’m generally not a super fast puffer and almost never experience any gurgle or tongue bite when smoking my cobs. I have 4 briar pipes that I don’t smoke too often and two of the them gurgle. After reading some of the other posts here I think maybe it’s the way they are built/drilled because the two that gurgle are cheapo basket pipes. For some reason I thought that maybe some briar just smoked wetter until a carbon cake formed but that might not be my issue. That Morgan bones pipe I have smokes as dry as my cobs oddly enough. I think I just got unlucky with my basket pipes. I appreciate your response!
 

LeafErikson

Lifer
Dec 7, 2021
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Oregon
This may or may not be relevant to your particular situation, but I recall a Muttnchop vid (I think it was him) where he explains that he’s just a “wet smoker.” Said he always produces quite a bit of saliva when he smokes. That can obviously influence moisture traveling the stem. I’m not usually a clencher, but I do get a little slobbery when I do clench, and will sometime hear a gurgle in my briars. Even in my nice ones. But like you, never in my cob.
Yeah I must just be a wet smoker. I bet you if I tried a filtered briar it wouldn’t happen to me. I just haven’t ever tried any filtered pipes so I haven’t pulled the trigger on any. I’m a lazy, multiple bowls a day kinda smoker so the idea of having to deal with filters all the time scares me :LOL::ROFLMAO:
 

dctune

Part of the Furniture Now
Yeah I must just be a wet smoker. I bet you if I tried a filtered briar it wouldn’t happen to me. I just haven’t ever tried any filtered pipes so I haven’t pulled the trigger on any. I’m a lazy, multiple bowls a day kinda smoker so the idea of having to deal with filters all the time scares me :LOL::ROFLMAO:
I have a few pipes that use filters, and I go back and forth on how I feel about them. I’d say I smoke 95% of the time sans filter. But I can say that in my experience, when I do smoke with a filter, the moisture is never an issue.

I saw someone mentioned above about those Nording stones. I’ve never tried those, but they are intriguing.
 
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