Any Interest In Getting Bulwark Flake Distributed In The US ?

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Hey, just thought I'd throw this out and see if it sticks...
...Bulwark Flake is a classic British tobacco and it sounds pretty damn good to me, as of now, it's only available in the U.K.

http://www.thebackyshop.co.uk/products/peter-stokkebye-bulwark-flake-loose-pipe-tobacco
But, it's actually now being made by Peter Stokkebye, and after reading this article, I think perhaps Lane Ltd. might be in the position to get the stuff over here?

http://pipesmagazine.com/blog/pipe-manufacturer-retailer-spotlight/stokkebye-lane-stg-shake-up/
quicklink to reviews:

http://www.tobaccoreviews.com/blend_detail.cfm?ALPHA=F&TID=2770
I would hope such a thing would be possible, but weird trademark or copyright laws may prevent it. If this can happen, I'd love to see the full range of these old classics, for example, Murray's Warrior Plug is made by STG, it seems to me like it could be distributed over here as well!
Any thoughts?
Any interest?
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flakyjakey

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Aug 21, 2013
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I think you should. In my post on an earlier thread about which tobacco to use when breaking in a pipe I said I routinely used Bulwark. It is indeed a great and ancient English flake which burns very consistently, coolly and slowly, which is why I use it for this purpose. For the same reasons, and because I know it so well, I also use it to "test" pipes, both new and estates.
I buy it in bulk from J N Barber in the uk

 
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Thanks bulwarkyjakey!

:D
Good to have a firsthand report here,

makes me even more enthused about it...
...I don't understand why it can't be made available here!

 
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Don't spread that rumor Roth!

:lol:

Then nobody will want it!
Say it's like St. Bruno or Revor Plug!
I wish I knew what it was like!

 

flakyjakey

Lifer
Aug 21, 2013
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ADDENDUM: I thought I should enlarge upon my earlier comments about this very special tobacco. I have been smoking it for about ten years, initially because my late dad (who smoked Ogden's Walnut Flake) said that his own granddad (?dad) used to smoke Bulwark and that it was a legendary British tobacco. My own interest in it has been that it is a nice, rich tobacco which is amazingly cool and slow burning, yet completely reproducible and reliable.
For these reasons I use it to break in all my pipes, and because I know it so well I also use it test the smoking quality of the pipes I buy. Hence from day to day I don't always pay full attention to its nuances. In response to misterlowercase's thread however I decided to smoke a bowl today and pay full attention.
I used a 1950's Stanwell (uncrowned "S" logo) Dublin/axe-shaped bowl which I know has no ghosts.
I can't report on the Bulwark's tin note since I buy it in bulk and it comes in long, even, dry, dark-brown flakes. These rub out easily and the aroma then resembles St Bruno or Walnut Flake and, yes, there is the tiniest hint of soapiness which was in no way unattractive.
The smoke was remarkable - I still can't get over how slowly this flake burns! The taste was rich VA, but dry, with little sweetness and much less fruity than St Bruno. Mostly the flavour was pure dry VA although IMO there was a 'taint' (if you like) of soapiness, but very faint and entirely melded with the overall effect - not at all like the Lakeland blends many Americans purport to dislike. However if you are one of the many who seem to favour vanilla-flavoured tobaccos (!!) I suspect this will not be for you.
But should you be one of the latter, it might perhaps be worth considering that this tobacco blend was conceived at the height of British tobacco making when the blenders really were masters of their trade, and competition was huge. Many competitors are now long gone, yet this survives...just. IMHO there is a reason for this.

 

rebornbriar

Starting to Get Obsessed
Aug 21, 2013
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In a recent conversation with one of the sales managers of Gawith & Hogarth here in the UK, he stated that there is a resurgence of interest in the US for the more traditional British tobaccos. Whilst smokers are starting to move away from aromatics and appreciate their nuances as well as their quality, sales of their products state side are on the rise.
Bulwark Flake and Irish Slices are now being made by Stokebye, as much of Europe's tobacco production moves to Denmark. I believe that both Samuel Gawith and Gawith & Hogarth will always keep their roots in the UK - however I would not object to other old forgotten blends of the past being resurrected if agreement could be reached and their recipes released under licence to outside manufacturers. Gallahers, are you reading this??

 

rebornbriar

Starting to Get Obsessed
Aug 21, 2013
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As an additional thought - PS tobaccos are actually more widely available in the USA than they are her in the UK. We do not have Luxury Bullseye Flake, Luxury Navy Flake etc available on our shores. Likewise you do not have the blends mentioned above.
I am wondering if there are any licensing restrictions that apply that prevent the universal availability of all their blends?

 

fishingandpipes

Part of the Furniture Now
Aug 24, 2013
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Can't speak to the licensing restriction comment, but I can say that if Bulwark came to the US I'd buy it!

 

cigrmaster

Lifer
May 26, 2012
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I am not a fan of the Lakeland essence but it sounds like this has a very small amount so I would definitely try it. Yeas ago I used to smoke St Bruno Flake back around 2001 or 02 and enjoyed it. I don't believe the St Bruno had much if any of the Lakeland essence. Is this similar?

 

flakyjakey

Lifer
Aug 21, 2013
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Cigrmaster, yes it smells very like the St Bruno when rubbed out, but less fruity and drier in the smoking. The 'soapy' note is miniscule IMO.

 

blendtobac

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Oct 16, 2009
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I know that a number of the blends that aren't available in the US, but are common in Europe are restricted because the maker only has the rights to distribute it in certain countries. They'd have to renegotiate the rights for any new market. That's why some of these blends have been out of the US market for so long.
Russ

 

flakyjakey

Lifer
Aug 21, 2013
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Russ, re the Bulwark that's a shame - it really does have remarkably cool, slow-burning properties

 

jbbaldwin

Part of the Furniture Now
Aug 1, 2012
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More flakes are always a good thing, as I see it.
I enjoy the Lakeland essence in any dose, too, so this would be something I'd love to try.

 
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I know that a number of the blends that aren't available in the US, but are common in Europe are restricted because the maker only has the rights to distribute it in certain countries. They'd have to renegotiate the rights for any new market. That's why some of these blends have been out of the US market for so long.
Russ
Thanks Russ,

that explains a lot.
I'll bet getting such rights wouldn't exactly be too cheap,

plus it's a legal hassle.
I wouldn't mind if they called it Stokkebye's British Seaman or whatever else!
Was Bulwark even available over here back when Will's made it?
I don't know if Stokkebye owns the Bulwark name outright, or if it's made under contract for Imperial.
I was hoping that Leonard from Lane Ltd. who sometimes posts here would see this, he's the brand manager after all, so certainly he'd know something.
I think I'll PM him and see if he can shed any light on the situation.

 

rebornbriar

Starting to Get Obsessed
Aug 21, 2013
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Just smoked two bowls of this today and it is a superb tobacco. For anyone concerned about Lakeland floral notes..... worry ye not :)
There is even less of any essence detectable in this blend that there is in St Bruno. I did detect the tiniest hint of anise (or anus if PipeStud is reading this) :) but definitely nothing like the strong Auntie Aggie Perfume blends.

 

cigrmaster

Lifer
May 26, 2012
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flakey, thanks for the info.
I think it would be a good business decision to start selling over here. Look at how the new Capstan and Three Nuns are doing. I bet sales are pretty darn good.

 
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Bully for Bulwark!
Thanks to friend and trueblue goodguy flakyjakey, I got to try this stuff, he sent along a very generous portion along with other unobtainable goodies! I cannot thank him enough, a true Brother of the Leaf!
Now, I've smoked roundabout half-a-dozen bowls and can report that yes indeed this weed is mighty fine. Upon the char-light, it roughly reminded me of St. Bruno in taste, but after a few puffs to ember, the strong initial flavor faded a bit to a more pure tobacco taste with a slight backdrop of the flavor note --- it's very difficult to explain this flavor, just as St. Bruno is difficult to pinpoint, but whatever the casing/topping is, it's fully integrated to the leaf and compliments it greatly. I can only describe the flavor as a truly traditional UK profile, thanks to the magic pressing, often with steam-jacketed presses, dark flakes such as this almost take on the characteristics of good oldtimey plugs, with that robust full-bodied depth which satisfies to no end --- and also, a quality that none of the Danish or German UK repops can capture, something like tar, giving the smoke a substantial substance, an incredible mouthfeel and sensation, and also provides long-lasting physiological and mental effects that lull me into a meditative state unlike any other tobacco I've smoked, it's almost romantic in that sense. MacBaren ODF comes closest to matching the trad UK profile, but as stated, it simply lacks a certain magic, those tremendous depths...
...and this adds to my equation, I've seen a vid of a UK pipeman talking about Bulwark & Irish Slices who doesn't think Stokkebye actually makes it, instead he points to Gawith --- I find myself agreeing here, most likely I think it's Gawith Hoggarth as the baccy has a similar silky feel, some slight floral familiarity (but nothing like a scented Lakeland), and some underlying likeness with the leaf itself...btw, that video is posted in this thread here:

http://pipesmagazine.com/forums/topic/a-blast-from-my-past-irish-slices
The trade name Bulwark must be under license or something, who knows? It's hard to really figure out what's what and who's who anyway nowadays...
Bulwark smokes like a dream, easy burning and super smooth, but the N can sneak up on you. I have a high tolerance, but I was so excited when I got this stuff that I smoked 3 bowls back to back, like butter it smokes very creamy full smooth and flavorful, but after that session I found myself with some slight spins, which hardly ever happens, so if St. Bruno is a man's tobacco, as they say, then Bulwark is a manlier tobacco!
Like St. Bruno, it's slightly tart, slightly fruity, slightly sweet and has a subtle nutty undertone.

Bulwark is delicious!
Here's a bad review where they didn't like it,

but Anonymous has the proper comment response!!! LOL

http://cigarsandpipes.blogspot.com/2009/01/pipe-tobacco-gawith-and-hoggarth.html
Now, I'm gonna veer off-course and talk a bit about Revor Plug, which was also in the baccybomb package --- I'm almost afraid to try it because I know I'll probably fall in love!
I've seen it said that Revor is made by Gawith Hoggarth, some have written that their name is actually on the pouch as well, and it shows up on their website too:

http://www.gawithhoggarth.co.uk/pipe_tobacco.asp

...I wonder if they make it, or are they only a distributor?
Revor has an interesting history.

It used to be made by the Manchester Tobacco Co., who even further back was called the Co-operative Wholesale Society. They made quite a few different blends, but Revor along with Mahogany Flake are their most famous. Also, they were I think manufacturing the Dobie's Four Square range.
Here's a photo of the old factory:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/co-operativestores/4230142120/
...and some history:

http://manchesterhistory.net/manchester/tours/tour12/tobacco.html
They ended up getting bought out by JTI (Japan Tobacco International) in 1992 for $8.2 million. They had it for less than a decade when they shut down the Manchester factory, the bastards!
JTI also famously took over and bought out Gallaher.
I don't know if JTI still owns the trademark or not for Revor.
Regardless, I think these baccies are made specifically for the UK market and there's little to no chance that we'll ever see 'em Stateside, sadly.

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rebornbriar

Starting to Get Obsessed
Aug 21, 2013
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Great post MLC. I am just finished a bowl of Revor Plug - man that stuff is so smokey it almost tastes Latakia! It also has a high SPF (sphincter pucker factor). So if you have had any trouble in the bowel movements department, get a bowl of Revor into you :rofl:
I have finished my current batch of Bulwark and must order some more. The more I smoke that tobacco, the more I like it. It could even replace my beloved Sam Gawith virginia flakes in top spot.
Just to make a comparison, I have just opened a tin of Capstan Blue with about 2 years age on it. It was from the old Scandinavian Tobacco Group production. (€5 per tin in Spain!). I find a close resemblance between this and the Bulwark Fake - so this might give a better idea to those Stateside the type of tobacco it is. If anything the Bulwark is slightly sweeter. Of course the Capstan was also once a great UK tobacco, but the flake version has not been available in the UK for many years - only in mainland Europe and now the USA. I wonder if Orlik will be able to reintroduce it to the UK shelves again.
Amazing that rights and issues prevent a blend that was once a UK domain being sold there yet is now available everywhere else.

 
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LOL A cuppa joe & abowla Revor Plug sound like the perfect prescription!
Thanks reborn for the Capstan pointer, that's good to know and'll be more known Stateside, I've yet to try the Capstan Blue, but I've got some on the way --- I'd be alot more enthusiastic about it all if they'd done up some Capstan Full like they should have!
It is indeed amazing about some of the original UK blends being made now not being available over there, weird how it all works nowadays...

 

pitchfork

Lifer
May 25, 2012
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Bump.
mlc, any news on this front? I smoked one of the flakes you sent me a while back and it really is a special tobacco -- so cool, smooth and just a little sweet. Too bad about the legal hoops and whatnot (if that's really what's going on). Maybe Stokkebye just assumed it wouldn't be appreciated here and never bothered to distribute it.

 
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