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Briar Lee

Lifer
Sep 4, 2021
5,300
15,172
Humansville Missouri
After about six dozen Lees and Pipe Makers and Briarlees, I’ve grown used to expecting these variations:

1. Lee Star Grade pipes were made with either the classic Lee recessed (invisible) and twin screw removable stinger fitment, or else a push stem. A real Lee pipe looks like a push stem whether it is or is not.

2. A Pipe Maker and most Briarlee pipes used a simpler and probably easier to make Kaywoodie type fitment that accepts the Lee stinger, but the end of the stummel on a Pipe Maker or screw stem Briarlee is an aluminum disc. It works the same, but the customer can see the aluminum ring between stummel and stem and he might feel sort of like poor folks having to make do with a Kaywoodie type joint instead of a genuine Lee Star Grade with an invisible joining of stummel and stem.

3. All Lee, Pipe Maker, and Briarlee pipes had stars for Lees, bulleyes for Pipe Maker, or plain stems for Briarlee. Earlier Lee Star Gradeshad gorgeously inlaid 7 or later 5 point jeweler’s gold stars inlaid in the stem, on top, and later those stars were stamped and filled with some kind of gilding that soon wears off. But there’s no stars in the shank, of a Lee. The stars are on the stem.

Never say never:

Lookie at my latest $27 delivered price Lee Three Star with a Kaywoodie type joint and three stars stamped on the shank.

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When it arrived I’ll clean it up and fire it up and give a review.

My wild guess is, this was a pipe made during the transition between screw stems and push stems.

The Pipe Maker line used that Kaywoodie type fitment, and Lee used up the stock.

Also, the Pipe Maker line used an more plastic than hard rubber stem.

Maybe they wouldn’t accept a clean stamp?

It’s not valuable like it would be if it was an oddball Kaywoodie.

But I’m just curious, you know?
 

Briar Lee

Lifer
Sep 4, 2021
5,300
15,172
Humansville Missouri
My oddball Lee arrived, and it’s of far less quality than I imagined possible a Lee could sink to.

This pipe was varnished, and darkly stained, perhaps only on the surface.

It doesn’t have a hand cut vulcanite stem. It’s moulded of mystery black plastic stuff. That’s why, stamping third generation stamped stars on the shank was necessary

A true, Pipe by Lee always has a certain and hard to quantify or describe look and feel of being substantial. Even small, specialty, miniature Lee pipes have thick bowl walls, and plenty of briar at the bottom to prevent burnout, This pipe looks and feels cheap and all machine made, as bad as any late sixties Kaywoodie.

So much so, that I’m now wondering if S.M. Frank did a parts clean up of the last Lee briar, and rear fitments? The lettering is, pressed with the original Lee stamp.

As bad as this little pipe looks, it’s really only been barely smoked, enough to dirty the stinger, but there’s barely any cake in the bowl. I should be able to tell if it was made (to a very low quality standard) of genuine oil cured Lee briar.

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By way of comparison, a genuine second generation 5 pointed gold inlaid star Poker came in the same mailbox today.

This is why I’m crazy about Lee pipes.

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But that looks like, it’s Lee briar under that late Kaywoodie type varnish.

Stay tuned.
 

PipeIT

Lifer
Nov 14, 2020
5,238
30,913
Hawaii
You certainly seem to be our resident Lee expert around here, so I hope you can find the time to put more info and update the Pipedia for Lee. :)


It is sorely lacking... :(
 
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Briar Lee

Lifer
Sep 4, 2021
5,300
15,172
Humansville Missouri
You certainly seem to be our resident Lee expert around here, so I hope you can find the time to put more info and update the Pipedia for Lee. :)


It is sorely lacking... :(
On quick examination this little beggar is absolutely a Pipe by Lee. That horribly cheap looking varnish dissolved like a sugar cube in a cup of hot coffee, using nothing but Everclear. The pipe cleaned up with only one alcohol soaked pipe cleaner. I can see lots of bare briar in the chamber. What I thought were fills now look like it’s rattled around in a drawer since the disco era.

It’s full of Sir Walter Raleigh Aromatic now, and it tastes delicious, smooth, and like the other nearly a hundred Lees I own.

I’d like to think this Lee was the last one, before the party was over.

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Time to put on some appropriate hard country music, and grill a cheeseburger.

It’s nice to know the worst Lee you can buy, is still a wonderful smoker.

 
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mso489

Lifer
Feb 21, 2013
41,211
60,660
Briar Lee, I have to admit, before you started posting about Lee pipes, I somehow had never heard of them. One interesting aspect of tobacco pipes is that you can always wander into a new neighborhood that is a whole new world, like wandering around a really big city like New York or London. Even people who have lived there their whole lives and navigated around a lot can find new places.
 

Briar Lee

Lifer
Sep 4, 2021
5,300
15,172
Humansville Missouri
Curiosity got me and I did a forum search on "Lee pipes".

There are some postings daying back to 2014 and 2015, then a drop off until 2019 when @Parsimonious Piper mentioned his affinity for them.

Of course the postings went off the charts in September of 2021 when @Briar Lee brought Lee pipes back to the forefront.
I don’t make any apologies for my love affair with Pipes by Lee.

Understand, that Lees were factory pipes. I’m certain that Lee used machine fraising, the pipes are very close to the same if of the same edtion. If you want the artistic beauty of one of a kind artisan pipes, then move along.

But Lee’s oil cured, and carefully selected briar and well constructed pipes made for the best factory pipes on earth for every year Lee made them.

Thirties Kaywoodies are justly famous.

But after the war, Lee made the best factory pipes, period.

My five pointed star era Two Star Poker is among the finest smokers in my entire stash. The oddball is also a wonderful smoker, but an early Lee has that feel of quality only a fine pipe delivers on.

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Chasing Embers

Captain of the Black Frigate
Nov 12, 2014
45,906
122,925
Understand, that Lees were factory pipes. I’m certain that Lee used machine fraising, the pipes are very close to the same if of the same edtion. If you want the artistic beauty of one of a kind artisan pipes, then move along.
You can actually have it both ways in the same pipe.


"Working alongside his son, Christian Noah Jeppesen, Peder fashions Neerup pipes by carving a design and, then, having a machine copy the shape. After this is done, he slightly alters the shape and finishes it by hand to make each piece unique. This time-saving way of pipe making is what allows Peder to carve such a high quantity of pipes each year."
 

Red Leader

Might Stick Around
Feb 12, 2022
77
223
Colorado
I'd like to get a Lee pipe just to keep rounding out my collection of American made pipes, but I find that the claims of quality second to none seem to contrast a bit with the quality of the briar I've seen on them (many Lee pipes I've been I've see up for auction have either plenty of fills, or even some cracks) and therefore I don't yet have a Lee. I have felt a need to be highly selective in which one I start with, although it is nice to know that the two-star pipes (what I've seen the most) do not lack for smoking qualities.
 
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Briar Lee

Lifer
Sep 4, 2021
5,300
15,172
Humansville Missouri
I'd like to get a Lee pipe just to keep rounding out my collection of American made pipes, but I find that the claims of quality second to none seem to contrast a bit with the quality of the briar I've seen on them (many Lee pipes I've been I've see up for auction have either plenty of fills, or even some cracks) and therefore I don't yet have a Lee. I have felt a need to be highly selective in which one I start with, although it is nice to know that the two-star pipes (what I've seen the most) do not lack for smoking qualities.
If the Lee has either 7 or 5 pointed inlaid jeweler’s gold stars, I’ve never seen the smallest fill, and overall design and construction is as good, as any factory pipe ever was, or will be. This is true no matter if it’s Two, Three, or Five Stars.

One of the disappointments of accumulating Lees is that completely gorgeous, breathtaking, awesome grain is not going to be found, in any I’ve seen.

A tiny number of my Lees have briar so flashy you can say lookie here at this gorgeous pipe! Even those cannot compare with something on the order of a Pre War Flame Grain.

Lees, were understated.
 

Red Leader

Might Stick Around
Feb 12, 2022
77
223
Colorado
If the Lee has either 7 or 5 pointed inlaid jeweler’s gold stars, I’ve never seen the smallest fill, and overall design and construction is as good, as any factory pipe ever was, or will be. This is true no matter if it’s Two, Three, or Five Stars.

One of the disappointments of accumulating Lees is that completely gorgeous, breathtaking, awesome grain is not going to be found, in any I’ve seen.

A tiny number of my Lees have briar so flashy you can say lookie here at this gorgeous pipe! Even those cannot compare with something on the order of a Pre War Flame Grain.

Lees, were understated.
Still looking forward to giving one a go. Just waiting for the right one.