Alternative Method for De-Oxidizing Vulcanite Stems

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PLANofMAN

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A fellow named Peter created this blog post on 04/27/2014. The original is in German.
Having lost useful blog posts before, I thought I would copy/paste this one as a backup and to spark some conversation. Minor editing for clarity and translation follows.

"I have used this method on over a hundred estate pipes:

Take 60% acetic acid. Put it in a glass. I use 100ml laboratory glassware. Only a finger's breadth of acetic acid needs to be put in. Then the mouthpieces go in, with the tap facing downwards. (Mouthpiece upwards)"
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"I have selected three mouthpieces for illustration purposes. Two are heavily tarnished, and the third has tarnished residue in the slot that is difficult to polish away. I then put the glass in the microwave and run the whole thing on the highest setting for 2 minutes . The acetic acid starts to boil and evaporate relatively quickly (after 40 seconds). After turning it off, it is best to open a window, hold your breath, and place the hot glass on the windowsill. As soon as the vapors have cleared, you can watch the tarnished sulfur layer on the ebonite disappear. An exothermic reaction takes place with the oxygen in the air, which etches away the tarnished sulfur layer. But only on the surface. After a few minutes, the mouthpiece is black again and the hot acetic acid on the mouthpiece has evaporated. In the places where the deposits were, the surface is naturally dull , so you have to polish it again. In very difficult cases (such as with the square mouthpiece) you simply repeat the procedure. The mouthpiece can then be polished relatively easily. The brown tint on the square mouthpiece is only visible in the photo; in reality it is black. This method is much gentler than soaking it in chlorine for days. The acetic acid evaporates completely, leaving no trace of odor or taste on the mouthpiece. Acetic acid is relatively harmless; you can even get it on your hand without it immediately etching holes. If you dilute it 1:10 with water, you can also use it to dress a salad. Just don't breathe in the hot steam. If you don't have high-percent acetic acid to hand, you can also use vinegar essence (25%). Then you may have to repeat the process several times if the mouthpiece is very tarnished."
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That is very interesting. The issue encountered when stems are not soaked, is internally, the oxidation is not treated.
Do you have any examples of what the stem looks like 6-12 months after this treatment? I'm curious if the oxidation returns. It is my experience so far, that unless the oxidation is removed, it returns quickly. Of course I have not tried nor heard of this method.
 
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Looks interesting, but not something I’ll jump to try on a stem that’s not a junker (I’d probably be trying it right now if I had high test vinegar).
2min on high in a microwave doesn’t soften the vulcanite causing any dimensional deformation?
 
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I had a plastic gallon jug of Kodak glacial acetic acid left over from my pre-1999 darkroom days, but it began leak several months ago. I used it to neutralize a spent lye bath that I used for cleaning grill and smoker grates. Nothing like a saturated lye solution for cleaning stainless steel!
 

georged

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Most of this is true.
My experience with redying stems in Fiebing’s black dye has been quite successful, however. Yes, they need to be buffed afterwards, but not sanded. And so far, they have held up just fine. No mess.

Probably connected to how pH varies among individuals because of what they habitually eat and drink, or maybe duration of contact / amount of tooth pressure. (I've seen stained stems that leached color onto a smoker's lips and teeth.) Definitely a "try before you buy" proposition in any event.
 

woodsroad

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Probably connected to how pH varies among individuals because of what they habitually eat and drink, or maybe duration of contact / amount of tooth pressure. (I've seen stained stems that leached color onto a smoker's lips and teeth.) Definitely a "try before you buy" proposition in any event.
I use the Pro Dye, leave it soaking for a week, drip dry for a week or more, then buff.
I've never stuck a piece of pH paper in mouth, but if you think that might trend on OnlyFans, I'm willing to go for it.
 

georged

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... but if you think that might trend on OnlyFans, I'm willing to go for it.

Now we're getting to the meat of the matter. rotf

Why you decided to give being a tobacco blend producer a go in the first place.

Because the world's sexiest women go after pipe smokers like a rottweiler after a burglar, and tobacco blend producers like a heat-seeking missile.

And then having those objects of desire suddenly disappear from their grasp by shuttering their company drives them truly insane with desire.

Yes... it all makes sense, now.
 

woodsroad

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Now we're getting to the meat of the matter. rotf

Why you decided to give being a tobacco blend producer a go in the first place.

Because the world's sexiest women go after pipe smokers like a rottweiler after a burglar, and tobacco blend producers like a heat-seeking missile.

And then having those objects of desire suddenly disappear from their grasp by shuttering their company drives them truly insane with desire.

Yes... it all makes sense, now.
Goddamnit, I can't hide anything from you, can I?
 
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That is very interesting. The issue encountered when stems are not soaked, is internally, the oxidation is not treated.
Do you have any examples of what the stem looks like 6-12 months after this treatment? I'm curious if the oxidation returns. It is my experience so far, that unless the oxidation is removed, it returns quickly. Of course I have not tried nor heard of this method.
This method treats the inside and outside of a stem, and removes the oxidized layer over the entire surface area of the stem, if I'm reading it correctly.

I have not tried this method. Only wished to save it for posterity, and perhaps try it one day.

The link was posted here by a member a few years back, which is how I found this method in the first place.

It does not leave the stem shiny. The second photo from the bottom, the two stems show how they look coming out of the process. They still need polishing. The final photo is post polish.
 
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This method treats the inside and outside of a stem, and removes the oxidized layer over the entire surface area of the stem, if I'm reading it correctly.

I have not tried this method. Only wished to save it for posterity, and perhaps try it one day.

The link was posted here by a member a few years back, which is how I found this method in the first place.

It does not leave the stem shiny. The second photo from the bottom, the two stems show how they look coming out of the process. They still need polishing. The final photo is post polish.
I understand. I was curious as to what they looked like 6 to 12 months after the process. I suspect the oxidation returned with vengeance.
 

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I understand. I was curious as to what they looked like 6 to 12 months after the process. I suspect the oxidation returned with vengeance.
Especially if it’s an old stem, made from a rubber with an excess of sulfur and no antioxidants. The ONLY ways to stop oxidation are:

No oxygen
No UV
Keep a protective coating on

I don’t think that there is anything intrinsically oxidation-inducing about using acetic acid to strip oxidation from rubber.
 
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It does not leave the stem shiny. The second photo from the bottom, the two stems show how they look coming out of the process. They still need polishing. The final photo is post polish.
Correction, according to the original author, only spots with oxidation become rough and dull. A person ought to be able to use this process to de-oxidize the internal airway without affecting the outer appearance of the stem, provided the oxidation has already been removed from the outside of the stem, either by this method or via mechanical removal.

At least, that's what the photos show. It reacts with sulfur, if there's no sulfur, there's no reaction.